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Poutnik wrote:

> Dne 13/09/2016 v 18:56 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn napsal(a):
>> Poutnik wrote:
>> The second sentence of the article is:
>> 
>> | The basic concepts of EPR are analogous to those of nuclear magnetic
>> | resonance (NMR), but it is electron <<<spins that are excited>>>
>> | instead of the spins of atomic nuclei.
>> 
>> _Section_ 1.1, “Origin of an EPR signal”, talks about an electron’s spin
>> "changing" *when interacting with an external magnetic field* (which I
>> already knew, see the newsgroup’s records):
> 
> It need not to be external fields, but fileds of the atom itself.
>> 
>> Where, do you think, did "john" say anything that contradicts either?
>> Where, do you think, did "Odd Bodkin" say anything that is confirmed
>> by either?
> 
> John said the electrons cannot change their spins

Not in the posting that I read.  He said:

| Electrons can't change whether they slot in as "up" or "down".

And *that* is *true*.  (An electromagnetic interaction, IOW photons, 
has/have to be involved in order to change an electron’s spin.)

> and are of 2 kinds, like a blue and a red car.

Not in the posting that I read.

> Odd Bodkin said it is not true.

Not in the posting that I read.  He said:

| Yes, [electrons can ‘change whether they slot in as “up” or “down”’].

AFAIK, this is is wrong.  Spin is an intrinsic property of electrons; it 
does not change spontaneously (without interaction).

He also said:

| If an electron is kicked out from the "up" position, then the "down"
| electron that remains can get into the "up" position. Happens all the
| time.

I asked for evidence of that.  None has been provided by anyone so far.

Either you have read very different postings than me, or, more likely, you 
have not read the actual postings carefully enough, if at all.  Your self-
presumed, but actually provably absent, ability to understand English well 
enough may have contributed to that.
 
> You should not need more...

Correct; I now know that you, too, cannot have read carefully what you are 
commenting on here.
 
>>> See also the singlet(excited form)-->triplet(base form)
>>> transition of the oxygen
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlet_oxygen
>> 
>> In what way is that relevant to this discussion?
> 
> Well, it is clear to a chemist....

Then, as we are in sci.*physics*, you should enlighten us.
 
> Unpaired fermions like electrons ( the above EPR )
> and some atomic kernels  ( See caesium clocks and NMR )
> can absorb or emit photons and change their orbital or spin angular
> momentum, as photons have spin 1.

Yes, and (AISB) that was not debated.  Your fallacy and "Odd"’s is a straw 
man argument: arguing against something that was not claimed.  Probably 
supported by superficial reading.
 
-- 
PointedEars

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3 Hydrogen gas variants Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:49 -0700
  Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-12 01:18 +0000
    Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:40 -0700
  Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 08:14 +0200
    Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 08:28 +0200
      Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:26 -0700
        Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 17:38 +0200
          Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 09:21 -0700
            Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:01 +0200
              Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:17 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:19 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:24 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:50 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:00 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 18:29 +0000
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:10 -0500
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-13 09:07 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:22 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:25 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-13 10:37 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 18:27 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-13 18:56 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 21:03 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-13 23:49 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:16 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:15 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-19 12:10 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 12:13 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 09:06 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:33 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:35 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-19 12:23 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-19 08:05 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-19 18:41 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-21 21:47 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 09:25 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-20 21:38 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:41 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 14:35 +0000
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 08:09 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 15:50 +0000
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:05 -0700
              Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:24 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:59 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:28 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 07:08 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:55 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:12 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:18 -0700
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:29 +0200
                Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 18:31 -0700
            Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 18:05 +0000
        Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:41 -0700
    Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-12 17:59 +0000
      Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:15 +0200
        Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-12 21:15 +0000
    Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:41 -0700
      Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:34 +0200
        Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:46 +0200
      Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:53 +0200
      Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:57 +0200
        Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 08:35 +0200
  Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-17 11:07 -0700
    Re: 3 Hydrogen gas variants Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 21:55 +0200

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