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Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app

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Eric Gorr wrote:

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> On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:34:27 PM UTC-4, Stefan Weiss wrote:
>> On 2013-04-08 21:26, ericgorr@... wrote:
>> > I am looking for recommendations for a javascript framework to build
>> > a fairly simple standalone app. What I mean by standalone is that I
>> > will need to be able to copy the app to a machine which does not hav
>> > a webserver installed and is not connected to the internet. The app
>> > would need to be able to be placed onto the desktop of an OS X or
>> > Windows machine with an index.html (or some similar file) which can
>> > be double-clicked to launch the app in a modern browser.
>> 
> […]
>> No framework is required for what you describe - just put some HTML and
>> JS in your index.html file. Unless there's something else you expect the
>> framework to do for you...?
> 
> Well, the benefits of using a well designed framework are many.

Please, surprise me.

> For example, they will deal with various differences between the browsers,

Differences that by now have mostly disappeared.

> provide powerful controls,

Controls that most of the time do not degrade gracefully, that are not 
accessible, not backwards-compatible, and not interoperable.

> binding support,

Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

> etc. which is not trivial to do from scratch.

So you do have no clue what you are talking about.  You are just parroting 
what you heard from marketing.

> You may want to check out Javascript frameworks like SproutCore or
> Cappuccino. In many situations, they can be quite compelling. The trouble
> is that with those, they don't seem to be designed to work well as
> standalone app.

You appear to be under the common misconception, purported and spread by 
other wannabes, that a framework would be a solution in itself; that you 
would not have to think and learn if you just used the right framework, as 
that would do the thinking for you.  However, know that frameworks are 
merely tools that can make software development easier (or harder, depending 
on your experience and the quality of the framework); they are a (possible, 
but not necessary) means to an end.

What good is a hammer if you do not know how to wield it, the kind of nails 
it should be used on, or if you are unable to tell from looking at *it* 
(instead of at its makers and their advertisement) whether its makers 
actually have done their job properly?

Learn programming, the underlying programming languages (here: ECMAScript 
implementations) and *existing* (host) APIs (like the DOM) first.  Then you 
will know that the best answer in many cases is to use no framework at all.

For example, there is no programming language named “Javascript” or 
“javascript”, and the features that you are referring to are not part of 
*any* programming language:

<http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>

BTW, please stop posting to Usenet using the borken Google Groups.  TIA.

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Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app ericgorr@gmail.com - 2013-04-08 12:26 -0700
  Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-04-08 22:25 +0200
    Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 14:06 -0700
  Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 23:34 +0200
    Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-04-08 22:38 +0100
      Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 14:48 -0700
        Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-04-08 23:07 +0100
          Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-09 00:20 +0200
            Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-04-08 23:31 +0100
              Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-09 01:07 +0200
                Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 16:28 -0700
                Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-09 01:45 +0200
                Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 16:52 -0700
    Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 14:47 -0700
      Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-08 23:58 +0200
  Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app x@x.com (znôrt) - 2013-04-08 23:50 +0200
    Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-09 00:03 +0200
    Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 15:06 -0700
      Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-04-08 23:22 +0100
        Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 15:32 -0700
      Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app x@x.com (znôrt) - 2013-04-09 00:39 +0200
        Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-09 00:54 +0200
          Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app x@x.com (znôrt) - 2013-04-09 01:25 +0200
        Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Eric Gorr <ericgorr@gmail.com> - 2013-04-08 15:56 -0700
          Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app x@x.com (znôrt) - 2013-04-09 01:25 +0200
      Re: Seeking Javascript framework for standalone app Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-04-09 00:40 +0200

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