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Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

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Subject Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Date 2020-07-14 19:27 -0400
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In article <iotqgflkln6tu8re7mv63ovribdf3tpgt9@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
<eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> >> >> In any case Apple did not think the terms were
> >> >> excessive when they first signed up.
> >> >
> >> >they had no choice in the matter. qualcomm has a monopoly and is
> >> >abusing it. that's illegal. 
> >> 
> >> Don't be silly. Patents *are* a legal monopoly.
> >> 
> >
> >monopolies are legal.
> >
> >abusing a monopoly is not.
> >
> >the patents are also frand, which makes it even worse for qualcomm.
> 
> You are a fool.

insults means you have no argument, not that anyone thought you did.

> >> >qualcomm is *only* entitled to licensing fees for *their* parts and ip,
> >> >not the entire product.
> >> >
> >> That's OK if there were alternative suppliers of technology but in
> >> this case Qualcomm is the only supplier. Without Qualcomm there is no
> >> product for Apple to sell.
> >
> >false.
> 
> You had better explain that to Apple. It might save them $4.5B.

*whoosh*.

> >the first several iphones used infineon baseband modems and recent ones
> >used intel modems (who bought infineon) for some models.
> >
> >only cellphones that support cdma (from any manufacturer, not just from
> >apple) have no alternative than qualcomm, which is why they were raked
> >over the coals.
> >
> >> >> >qualcomm is also trying to extort licensing fees for frand patents,
> >> >> >which stands for fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory. 
> >> 
> >> Under the circumstances, Qualcomm's royalties were "fair, reasonable
> >> and non-discriminatory." Of course, Apple didn't think so.
> >
> >the federal trade commission didn't think so:
> >
>
> >><https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2017/01/ftc-charges-qualcomm-
> >monopolizing-key-semiconductor-device-used>
> >  The Federal Trade Commission filed a complaint in federal district
> >  court charging Qualcomm Inc. with using anticompetitive tactics to
> >  maintain its monopoly in the supply of a key semiconductor device
> >  used in cell phones and other consumer products.
> >...
> >  ¤ Maintains a 3no license, no chips2 policy under which it will supply
> >  its baseband processors only on the condition that cell phone
> >  manufacturers agree to Qualcomm1s preferred license terms. The 
> >  FTC alleges that this tactic forces cell phone manufacturers to pay
> >  elevated royalties to Qualcomm on products that use a competitor1s
> >  baseband processors. According to the Commission1s complaint, this is
> >  an anticompetitive tax on the use of rivals1 processors. 3No license,
> >  no chips2 is a condition that other suppliers of semiconductor
> >  devices do not impose. The risk of losing access to Qualcomm baseband
> >  processors is too great for a cell phone manufacturer to bear because
> >  it would preclude the manufacturer from selling phones for use on
> >  important cellular networks.
> >
> >  ¤ Refuses to license standard-essential patents to competitors.
> >  Despite its commitment to license standard-essential patents on FRAND
> >  terms, Qualcomm has consistently refused to license those patents to
> >  competing suppliers of baseband processors.
> >
> >  ¤ Extracted exclusivity from Apple in exchange for reduced patent
> >  royalties. Qualcomm precluded Apple from sourcing baseband processors
> >  from Qualcomm1s competitors from 2011 to 2016. Qualcomm recognized
> >  that any competitor that won Apple1s business would become stronger,
> >  and used exclusivity to prevent Apple from working with and improving
> >  the effectiveness of Qualcomm1s competitors.
> >
> This kind of thing is common where big-money patent litigation is
> involved. You should read the part which says:
> 
>    "NOTE: The Commission files a complaint when it has ³reason to
>     believe² that the law has been or is being violated and it appears
>     to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest. The
>     case will be decided by the court."
> 
> An accusation is not not a conviction.

accusations are not made up. there's a solid basis for the ftc filing.

ultimately, apple and qualcomm settled, so we'll never know what a
court would have decided, however, the evidence is overwhelming
*against* qualcomm.

> >i will also add what you said in another post:
> >In article <ghbqgflg647alve6menu11m3ju5ijr0c63@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
> ><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> I'm not privy to (or even following) the Apple/Qualcomm negotiations
> >> so I have no real idea.
> >
> >that's one thing you did get correct. you definitely have no real idea.
> 
> Thhat was in answer to a specific question about current events.

it's your admission that you are talking about things you know nothing
about, as you normally do.

> >> >> The teerms were certainly not discriminatory.
> >> >
> >> >you don't understand frand.
> >> >
> >> >> >other companies don't do that, and for good reason. it's illegal.
> >> >> 
> >> >> You don't know the law on this. I cut my teeth as a shareholder in
> >> >> Rambus.
> >> >
> >> >rambus has nothing to do with it.
> >> 
> >> Thereby displaying your ignorance.
> >
> >then explain what relevance being a shareholder in rambus has to do
> >with qualcomm and it's anti-competitive and illegal behaviour.
> 
> You ought to know that in its early days Rambus was engaged in a major
> war with virtually all the chip makers and this was fought through
> numerous courts and the FTC. It went on for several years and was a
> good course in the tactics of heavy-weight patent litigation. I'm
> surprised you didn't know that.

what rambus did has nothing to do with qualcomm's actions.

they're not even remotely similar.

> Apart from that, Qualcomm's use of current Rambus technology caused me
> to have a passing interest in the Qualcomm-Apple fight. But I've
> already explained that.

you need more than 'a passing interest' to be able to get the details
even somewhat correct.

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                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 21:01 +0000
                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 20:54 +0000
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:21 +1200
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:30 -0700
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:42 -0700
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:44 +1200
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 04:18 +0000
                Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs For a friend <notyou@yes.yes> - 2020-07-09 21:35 -0700
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:04 -0400
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 22:06 -0700
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:27 -0400
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 23:13 -0700
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:20 +0000
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 10:09 -0700
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:18 +1200
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:00 +0000
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 22:34 -0700
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:54 +1200
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-12 04:22 +0000
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:07 +0000
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 18:47 +1200
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:27 +0000
                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:13 +0000
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:09 +1200
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 15:10 -0700
                Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:29 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:36 +0000
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:06 +1200
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:23 +0000
              How is it that Arlen can be this thick? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs He really has no clue <none@all.com> - 2020-07-04 16:52 -0700
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2020-07-05 03:25 +0200
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 03:08 +0000
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 20:27 -0700
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 17:21 +0000
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:57 +0000
  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 00:14 +0000

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