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| Date | 2018-12-10 14:13 -0800 |
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| Message-ID | <125ffacc-e657-4e3e-9fb7-91394c473b7e@googlegroups.com> (permalink) |
| Subject | Re: What is a field? |
| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:00:50 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > > On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, JanPB wrote: > >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 8:04:04 AM UTC-8, kenseto wrote: > >>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 5:20:16 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > >>>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 2:56:22 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote: > >>>>>>> kenseto wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 12:52:21 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: > >>>>>>>>>> Why did Weinberg gave pop-science talk of a field different than what is > >>>>>>>>>> the true meaning of a field? > >>>>>>>>> He was trying to explain a science concept to non-scientists. Obviously, > >>>>>>>>> it didn’t work for you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It works for me very well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You think so because you are not competent enough to make a proper assessment. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It led me to formulate Model Mechanics, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Your crackpot idea is not a formulation, it is a pipe dream or worse. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the most successful theory of physics. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Show your Nobel Prize in Physics or shut up. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ken is beyond recognizing that point. He’s too heavily invested. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ken’s stance is essentially this: “I, Ken Seto, have an idea of what a > >>>>>> physical theory should be like. What physicists think a physical idea > >>>>>> should be like is irrelevant. What I know is that every theory produced by > >>>>>> physicists so far doesn’t matter measure up to MY idea of a physical > >>>>>> theory. They don’t make sense, they don’t use plain language, they’re > >>>>>> complicated, they involve non-intuitive ideas. None of those traits should > >>>>>> belong to a good physical theory. On the other hand, MY theory completely > >>>>>> satisfies everything I think a theory should be. It is therefore in MY EYES > >>>>>> the most successful theory ever. And if physicists don’t agree about the > >>>>>> value of what I’ve produced, that’s their loss.” > >>>>> > >>>>> Idiot....current theories are based on fantasy and non-existing mathematical objects. > >>>> > >>>> That’s not true, Ken. I get that you are not familiar with many of those > >>>> things, and that you hate the idea of new things you didn’t know about. > >>>> However denying that they exist, just because you don’t like them, isn’t > >>>> really a sign of a sane person. > >>> > >>> I don’t like it because it failed to give a quantum theory of gravity. > >>> And GR failed to incorporated into quantum physics. > >> > >> And what makes you think this is not the fault of quantum theory? > >> > >>>>> My theories are based on real material objects....that’s why they are > >>>>> superior theories. > >>>> > >>>> I understand, Ken, that your very limited view of reality only contains > >>>> material things. However, as I’ve pointed out to you, for four hundred > >>>> years — over five times your entire lifetime — physicists have known that > >>>> reality consists of more than material things. It can’t be reduced to the > >>>> smaller list of things you’re familiar with. > >>> > >>> It doesn’t matter if it is 1000 years.....the fundamental of current physics is wrong. > >> > >> You cannot form a valid opinion of that sort. By definition only a person > >> who is an expert in physics can make sweeping statements about the validity > >> of physics. Just change your hobby, find yourself some other way to > >> boost your ego. This science thing will get you absolutely nowhere if you > >> refuse to study. > >> > >> -- > >> Jan > > > > Anything that depends on extra dimensions other than the observable three > > dimensions is wrong. > > So you are saying that any theory that relies on something that can’t be > seen or touched or directly observed by a human observer with everyday > senses is wrong. > > So, since you can’t observe atoms directly, atomic theory is wrong? It's always the same thing at the end of the day with those types: "whatever I don't understand is irrelevant anyway". Or, even more simply: "No matter what, everyone else is wrong". -- Jan
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Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-15 02:14 +0000
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Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 13:07 +0000
Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-09 14:19 -0800
Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 22:25 +0000
Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-10 07:54 -0800
Re: What is a field? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-10 17:15 +0000
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Re: What is a field? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-08 20:09 +0100
Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-08 14:28 -0800
Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 22:42 +0000
Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-08 14:56 -0800
Re: What is a field? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-12-09 00:06 +0100
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Re: What is a field? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-09 09:19 -0800
Re: What is a field? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 22:22 +0000
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Re: What is a field? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-10 17:09 +0000
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