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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI |
| Date | 2026-10-18 07:13 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <11b1rit$u11e$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
>Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net>wrote:
>>On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 07:20:49 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>>
>> Most code I write is in C or in asm for Microchips.
>> asm is extremely powerful
>> understand the hardware!!!
>>
>
>It is good to hear someone actually standing up for
>C and assembly.
>
>These Linux groups seem to be packed only with Python/C++
>jockeys. The poor dupes don't know what they're missing.
>
>Assembly is the most fun of any programming language.
>There is none of the uncertainty that slows one down
>when using a higher level language. The instructions
>just flow effortlessly.
>
>However, I do still have trouble with the shuffle operations
>on the SIMD registers. I need to always check the manuals
>to see what goes where.
>
>Intel and GCC provide support for so-called "intrinsics" that
>allow assembly code to be directly incorporated into C code,
>but these, for me, are tedious and not much fun to use.
>
>You are also correct in stating that a thorough knowledge
>of hardware is a requisite for assembly programming. After
>all, one is dealing directly with digital registers with no
>cozy compiler or interpreter in between.
>
>
>>
>> These days giggle bytes seem to be needed to just say: 'Hello world'.
>> Too many layers of crap.
>>
>
>GNU has published the definitive version of Hello World:
>
><https://www.gnu.org/software/hello/>
OK, just for fun, I downloaded
hello-2.12.tar.gz 2022-01-31 13:58 1.0M
Imakefile etc etc
xmkmf
make
mkdir hello
mv hello-2.12.tar.gz hello/
cd hello
tar -zxvf hello-2.12.tar.gz
l
cd */
l
./configure
l
make
l
./hello
cd src
l
joe hello.c
l
cd ..
l
./hello
'l' in zsh that I use as shell stands for 'ls -rtl'
saves typing and always show recent
raspberrypi: ~/hello/hello-2.12 # l
total 1940
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15756 Aug 12 2017 INSTALL
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93787 Aug 12 2017 ABOUT-NLS
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 208 Feb 8 2018 TODO
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35149 Feb 8 2018 COPYING
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 891 Mar 7 2020 THANKS
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1509 Mar 7 2020 README-dev
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3499 Mar 7 2020 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30559 Mar 7 2020 ChangeLog.O
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 580 Mar 7 2020 AUTHORS
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2342 Mar 7 2021 configure.ac
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4577 Mar 7 2021 GNUmakefile
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66373 Mar 7 2021 maint.mk
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3646 Jan 31 2022 Makefile.am
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45039 Jan 31 2022 aclocal.m4
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39766 Jan 31 2022 config.in
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 204406 Jan 31 2022 Makefile.in
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4607 Jan 31 2022 NEWS
-rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 663695 Jan 31 2022 configure*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1550 Jan 31 2022 hello.1
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 31 2022 tests/
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 31 2022 man/
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 31 2022 m4/
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 31 2022 contrib/
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 31 2022 doc/
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21682 Jan 31 2022 ChangeLog
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 31 2022 build-aux/
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 68284 Oct 18 09:02 config.status*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183752 Oct 18 09:02 Makefile
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40885 Oct 18 09:02 config.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23 Oct 18 09:02 stamp-h1
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 18 09:02 po/
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179003 Oct 18 09:02 config.log
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 18 09:02 src/
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 12288 Oct 18 09:03 lib/
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 177276 Oct 18 09:03 hello*
raspberrypi: ~/hello/hello-2.12 # ./hello
Hello, world!
Oh well...
LOL
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