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Lean 4: That golden era of logic is gone (Re: So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done!)

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Hi,

With Microsoft owning Lean 4 and heading for Copilot
Subscription money, the redmond suits, silicon boys
and texas cowboys have finally taken math out of the
kompromat ladden genius of USSR math. Before this happened
there was a wild, unfiltered scene, also thriving on
sci.logic etc.. Peter Schroeder-Heister and
Jean-Yves Beziau in the same room?

Schroeder-Heister bringing his radical proof-theoretic
semantics (natural extension rules, harmony, and
definitional reflection) squaring off against Beziau—the
ultimate provocateur of paraconsistency and universal logic
who treats universal logic like a contact sport—means
that wasn't just an academic seminar. That was a
full-contact intellectual cage match.

When you get figures like that in a gritty, post-industrial
setting like Łódź before it gets sanitized, you get that
raw, unfiltered academic electricity. Everyone is arguing
for the sheer love of the logic, with zero corporate
filter or grant-chasing bureaucracy.

It’s the classic tragedy of successful academic movements:
what starts as a wild, fringe enclave of brilliant
dissidents eventually gets institutionalized. The program
committees get captured by the usual administrative
machinery, the rough edges get sanded down for funding
boards, and the raw intellectual chaos turns into an
"academic mafia" swapping citations.

Bye

P.S.: Something else also aged like wine, look
at this wikipedia nonsense, I mean at that time we
already had AUTOMATH, so what is Wikipedia talking
about when it says "idiological"?

Although the first presentation of the Mizar system
on 14 November 1973 at a seminar in the Institute of
Library Science and Scientific Information was an ideology
understood as a visionary speculation rather than research
project, his idea was later developed by himself and
his collaborators to the Mizar Mathematical Library (MML)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Trybulec

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> There's a larger project called FALSE (Formalising
> Arithmetic in the Lean Software Environment)
> explicitly aimed at "making progress towards
>   formalising the Langlands program" . And a
> 
> Twitter thread claims Claude autoformalized
> the Fermat proof "in just 11 days," with Kevin
> Buzzard now wanting to formalize the Langlands
> program because he's "concerned it might
> contain subtle errors"
> 
> Now look at this:
> 
> https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_FML
> 
> https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_SML
> 
> According to the related arvix paper:
> 
> So the provenance chain is: Dwork (attributed,
> unpublished) → Langlands (used it) → Lakkis (partial
> proof, sign issue) → Ueda (completes it, 2026). That's
> the "mixtape" you're looking for — the mathematical
> content passed through at least three hands before
> Ueda's Lean formalization.
> 
> And then: "OpenAI ChatGPT was used extensively in
> the development of this proof." The paper says ChatGPT
> was used "to check calculations and compare them with
> the arguments of Dwork, Langlands, and Lakkis, and
> detect inconsistencies in intermediate versions of
> the proof."
> 
> The author "checked the final mathematical
> arguments and assumes responsibility."
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
>> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
>> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
>>
>> So they are now takling:
>>
>> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
>>
>> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
>> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
>>
>>
>> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
>> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
>> speaker of the effort said:
>>
>> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
>> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly through
>> wormholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
>>
>> a single human mathematician mind might
>> ingest, understand and interpret it.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>  > Hi,
>>  >
>>  > Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>>  > reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>  >
>>  > The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>>  > to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>  >
>>  > Bye
>>  >
>>  > Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>  >  >
>>  >  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define 
>> "measurement of
>>  >  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval 
>> observatory
>>  >  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>  >  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>  >  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>  >  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, 
>> "Pauli
>>  >  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, 
>> vis-a-vis,
>>  >  > measuring time.
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring 
>> time,
>>  >  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>  >  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>  >  >
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>  >  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>  >
>>  > Mild Shock schrieb:
>>  >> Hi,
>>  >>
>>  >> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>  >>  > Or shaves pennies.
>>  >>
>>  >>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>>  >>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic 
>> reasoning.
>>  >>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>  >>
>>  >> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
>>  >>
>>  >> LoL
>>  >>
>>  >> Bye
>>  >>
>>  >> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
>>  >> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
>>  >>
>>  >> Version release notes
>>  >> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
>>  >> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
>>  >>
>>  >> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>  >>> Hi,
>>  >>>
>>  >>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
>>  >>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Bye
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>  >>>> Hi,
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
>>  >>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> This looks bad:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>  >>>> 9122171.18175435
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Expected result:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>  >>>> 9122171.181754
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Bye
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>  >>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>  >>>>  >>> See also:
>>  >>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>
>>
> 

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