Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers)

From	cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers)
Date	2026-10-07 14:23 +0000
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In article <2026Oct6.172109@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>[snip]
>My impression is that in Rust you tend to nail down things more often
>than in Haskell, so the stretches are shorter, but there is more
>automagic going on in Rust, with automatic defererencing and
>referencing, automatic dropping, etc., and the borrow checker
>interacts with the automagic, which makes it at least as hard to deal
>with as th Haskell type inference.

The rules for when references are taken, when dereferences
happen, and when things are dropped are well-defined; there's no
magic there.

To a first order approximation, a references is taken using the
`&` and `&mut` operators, or when an object is the target of a
method call that takes `&self` or `&mut self`.

An object is dereferenced using `*` operator, the `.deref()`
operator for something that impl's the `Deref` trait, or when
using the `.` operator on product types.

An object is dropped either when it goes out of scope, or when
subject to the `Drop` operator.

Rust objects and references have lifetimes, which are a
first-class part of the type system.  The borrow checker
enforces rules relating the lifetimes of objects and their
references.

Specifically:

* A reference to an object cannot outlive the object itself (no
  dangling references).
* If a _mutable_ reference to an object exists at some point in
  time, then that reference is the only reference to that
  object.
* Any number if _immutable_ references may exist to an object at
  any given time, mutually exclusive with a mutable reference to
  that object.

Rust references are non-nullable, and the borrow checker rules
enforce that they always point to a valid object; the language
will not allow you to take a reference to an uninitialized
object.

There are a couple of fine points here; if you have a mutable
reference to something, it's ok to call a method on it that
takes `&self`, for example, but for the most part the above is a
decent mental model.

There are also so-called "raw" pointers in Rust that are similar
to pointers in C or Pascal in that they are nullable, can
dangle, and don't necessarily have to point to a valid,
initialized object.  One can create a raw pointer using the
`&raw` or `&raw mut` operators, by assignment from a reference,
or by an explicit function/cast.  Creating a raw pointer is
considered safe, since they do not have to be valid.  However,
dereferencing a raw pointer is `unsafe`, meaning that it is the
programmer's responsibility to ensure that it points to a valid
object before dereferencing.

Raw pointers also have a notion of "provenance", which tracks
their origin (think capabilities in the CHERI sense here; indeed
CHERI was the motivation for the "strict provenance" APIs:
https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/ptr/index.html#strict-provenance).

>For Haskell I can at least make types explicit at various places to
>reduce the area where the error might hide, but in Rust I have no way
>to disable the automagic, and no way (or at least I don't know it) to
>tell the borrow checker what I think it should be seeing, such that it
>can tell me where my error is.

This is classic, "fighting the borrow checker."  The checker
will tell you exactly where it thinks your error is, as far as
saying, "you use a reference at this point, when the object it
points to went out of scope at this other point..." or "you
attempted to take a mutable reference to an object while another
live reference to it already existed..." or "you tried to take
*any* reference to an object while a live mutable reference
exists".  There's no magic here, and generally the error
messages are pretty good.

The `unsafe` keyword is the escape hatch that tells the compiler
that I, the programmer, am doing something weird that it has no
insight into, and so it cannot automatically enforce its checks,
and that I am therefore taking on the responsibility of ensuring
that the language's rules with respect to memory safety and
concurrency are respected.  Note that `unsafe` does not allow a
programmer to _violate_ those rules, it merely tells the
compiler that they've been checked manually.

Once you get used to it, the borrow checker is unintrusive, and
it really does catch errors that would lead to crashes or
mangled data in other languages.  But if you are trying to write
a Rust program the same way you would in a language that is not
type- and memory-safe, like C or (I gather) Forth, you will
almost certainly find it very frustrating.

>I have investigated some tool that IIRC rewrite the Rust program to
>give more information about how it understands the program, but at
>least for my test case, it was not enlightening.

Perhaps you are referring to Miri?  That is a simulator for the
IR, that can be used to find bugs in raw pointer usage in
`unsafe` code.

>As for the type system, a friend told me that he likes Rust because it
>gives him what he likes about Haskell's type system in an imperative
>language.

Yes.  The type system allows you to make aggressive use of
things like "typestates" and "newtypes" to eliminate entire
categories of errors.  The "Parse, don't validate" metaphor
introduced by Alexis King on her blog post
(https://lexi-lambda.github.io/blog/2019/11/05/parse-don-t-validate/)
translates almost directly from Haskell to Rust; my colleague
Cliff Biffle has written on typestates in Rust here:
https://cliffle.com/blog/rust-typestate/

When I wrote the host OS boot loader for our machines (the thing
we run from the reset vector) I used newtypes to describe page
mappings so that virtaul page addresses of a certain size _had_
to be canonical and properly aligned and _had_ to point to a
correctly sized and aligned physical page frame that was
similarly valid.  Once one has parsed a virtual page address or
physical frame address into its representative type, there's no
need to revalidate it at point of use.  The existence of an
instance of those types is a proof that the addresses are valid:
https://github.com/oxidecomputer/phbl/blob/main/src/mmu.rs

These techniques apply to all sorts of things.  Making a
erroneous combination unrepresentable at the type level is an
incredibly powerful tool.

	- Dan C.

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                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 06:00 +0000
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                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-11 22:34 +0000
                Data-independent timing (was: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 06:22 +0000
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                Re: Data-independent timing (was: CHERI scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 18:08 +0000
                Re: Data-independent timing (was: CHERI anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 21:35 +0000
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                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 16:42 +0000
                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-11 07:01 +0000
                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2026-09-13 17:21 +0000
                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-13 18:00 +0000
                Re: CHERI (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 06:35 +0000
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                Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 12:04 -0700
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                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 04:29 +0000
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                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-10 03:47 +0000
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                Re: Styles of addressing EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-07 13:28 -0400
                Addressing Shared Stuff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:33 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 15:48 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:05 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:05 -0400
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-16 23:11 +0100
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 00:26 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 09:32 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-17 13:32 +0100
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 01:08 +0300
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-18 06:10 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 16:06 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-17 17:26 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:40 +0000
                Re: Addressing Shared Stuff Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-09-14 12:52 -0700
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 20:25 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 00:02 +0000
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                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:35 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 08:19 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-09 10:58 +0000
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                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-10 17:22 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-10 22:42 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 06:32 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-10 17:02 -0400
                Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 06:33 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-11 08:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-11 17:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 23:19 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-11 22:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-12 09:30 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-12 13:23 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-12 13:18 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-12 17:09 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-11 23:25 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 08:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-12 09:09 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-14 16:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:34 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-12 17:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-12 19:13 +0100
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 18:14 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-13 03:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-13 14:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-13 14:58 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-13 16:09 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-13 17:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-13 17:34 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 14:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-14 18:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 13:14 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 16:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 21:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 22:10 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-18 16:38 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-09-19 06:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-19 06:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-20 02:56 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-20 20:12 +0000
                Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 06:55 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:04 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-23 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-23 18:34 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-23 13:53 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-21 12:48 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 17:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-21 20:06 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 23:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-22 05:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-22 14:13 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-26 07:44 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 19:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-22 05:19 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-22 08:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 05:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 06:45 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-22 14:32 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:21 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-23 05:23 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-23 14:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 16:52 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:01 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 10:38 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:54 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 18:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 21:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-02 04:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 10:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 22:04 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-03 13:13 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-24 16:35 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 07:47 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-24 07:59 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-24 09:29 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-25 07:27 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 17:12 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-27 11:51 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-25 11:16 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 19:00 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 18:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-26 10:25 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-27 13:42 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 18:18 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-27 10:55 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-27 22:12 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-28 02:59 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-28 14:43 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 07:14 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 11:36 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-06 23:16 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 13:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 16:43 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 22:31 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 21:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-11 08:41 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-11 18:14 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-11 20:56 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 07:47 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-12 11:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 16:20 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-12 17:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 21:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-13 10:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 08:50 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-14 23:39 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-13 16:31 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-13 18:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-13 19:50 +0200
                Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-13 23:24 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-14 09:56 +0200
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-14 12:14 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-14 18:07 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-14 15:45 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-15 06:17 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-16 06:35 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-16 17:10 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-16 18:55 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-16 18:57 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 04:01 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-15 15:42 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-16 12:46 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-16 17:56 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 03:56 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-17 11:09 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-17 14:58 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-18 10:55 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-18 17:56 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 18:09 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-20 03:50 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-20 20:53 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 20:15 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:44 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-20 22:49 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-21 23:06 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 00:02 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-22 23:43 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-23 00:27 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-23 03:46 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:21 +0300
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 12:49 +0200
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:28 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-21 14:10 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:11 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:38 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-16 20:35 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 03:49 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:16 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-18 02:03 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-17 08:51 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 22:54 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-19 08:39 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-19 08:42 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 01:43 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-14 22:43 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-15 18:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-12 16:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 19:21 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 21:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +0000
                Re: smashing constants, sort of like Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 15:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 18:37 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 21:07 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-17 02:03 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-07 22:25 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 20:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-07 23:25 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 22:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 22:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-09 16:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-07 22:13 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-08 05:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-08 12:05 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 22:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-28 19:58 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-29 15:44 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 13:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 17:50 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 11:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-30 18:03 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-30 17:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 06:58 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-02 20:38 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:23 -0700
                Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 11:12 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:45 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 08:29 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 18:29 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-10 14:18 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-10 17:31 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-11 15:40 +0000
                Re: Rust Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-11 14:26 -0400
                Re: Rust cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 19:14 +0000
                Re: Rust Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:15 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 19:13 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 22:28 +0300
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-11 09:27 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-11 22:43 +0300
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 05:01 -0700
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 15:21 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-07 05:41 -0700
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 14:23 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-06 21:18 -0400
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 22:17 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-03 14:25 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 21:08 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 01:49 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 13:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:34 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-29 12:42 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 10:54 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 21:23 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-27 11:46 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-27 14:42 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 06:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 07:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 08:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 11:06 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 14:32 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 16:40 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 01:58 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-29 10:16 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-02 05:31 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-24 19:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:52 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 11:06 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-25 05:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 05:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 10:45 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-25 05:39 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 14:36 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 14:45 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-04 08:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 12:15 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 14:16 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 16:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 17:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 20:04 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 02:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 10:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-19 12:06 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-19 15:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 14:24 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-20 11:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 15:09 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-21 05:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 12:13 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 15:35 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 16:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:23 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 11:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-20 07:31 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 20:01 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 13:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-22 16:50 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-03 05:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 04:38 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 13:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-05 22:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 06:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 02:53 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-06 14:55 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 15:16 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-22 06:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-24 17:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-26 09:18 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 19:57 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-14 16:31 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-14 16:58 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:45 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:53 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-15 16:00 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 19:40 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-18 15:58 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 10:15 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-11 08:54 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 10:54 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 15:56 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:46 +0000
  Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:07 -0700
    Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-01 20:04 +0000
      Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 01:15 +0000
        Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-02 13:55 -0300
          Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 17:32 +0000
      Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 02:42 +0000
        Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:19 -0700
          Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-02 20:39 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-02 21:09 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 22:01 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 08:34 +0000
            Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 01:37 +0000
              Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 08:25 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 08:13 +0000
              Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:43 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-10 05:41 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-10 17:16 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-12 02:29 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 07:49 +0000
            Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-11 23:30 -0700
              Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 08:23 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-12 18:34 +0000
      Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 17:15 -0700

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