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Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers)

From cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Newsgroups comp.arch
Subject Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers)
Date 2026-10-05 12:45 +0000
Organization PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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In article <2026Oct3.131214@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>That's good to know but what is a good resource to learn the Rust
>>language?  I've looked at the Rust book several times and each
>>time come away rather frustrated.
>
>If you mean "The Rust Programming Language", I came away from it
>disillusioned.
>
>The reason was that I could not get a search-tree insertion technique
>to work that can be implemented in e.g., Pascal, C, and Forth, but not
>in Java (because in Java I cannot produce references to a field inside
>an object).

I think what you mean to say is that you couldn't find a way to
implement that in the manner you were accustomed to thinking
about the problem, given your prior experience.  But that is
separate from whether it can be done or not.

In fact, in Rust you can use the approximately the same
techniques you would use in Pascal, C, or (probably) Forth: raw
pointers are a part of the language, and you can simply use them
with `unsafe` code, and it would be no more "unsafe" than in C
or Pascal.  One might argue that that defeats the purpose of the
language, and you'd be right to a point.  The difference is that
in C or Pascal, the entire program is what Rust would call
"unsafe", whereas generally this can be restricted to just a few
lines of carefully audited code in Rust.

FWIW, for things like containers of various kinds (trees, hash
tables, linked-lists, growable arrays, etc), production programs
usually use an existing library or crate instead of rolling
their own.

>At some point I thought that one would have to use the more
>heavy-weight reference-counting stuff to get through the borrow
>checker.
>
>Then I found the book "Learn Rust With Entirely Too Many Linked
>Lists", and I found that the problem could be solved without reference
>counting after all.  However, the problem in this case is the usual
>thing with type inference: There is so much going on that happens
>automagically (in particular automatic dereferencing in Rust), and the
>Rust compiler does not know where you went wrong, so the error message
>is unhelpful (while for the simpler cases the compiler usually guesses
>right and gives very helpful, to-the-point error messages).
>
>Even after reading the second book, I am still disillusioned with
>Rust.  The Rust fans tend to say: "If it compiles, it runs."  The
>problem is that it can be harder to get a Rust program to compile than
>to debug a program in, say, Forth (which has barely any checking).
>For debugging, I at least have a method on how to proceed.  When I get
>an unhelpful compiler error, I am left to trying various things,
>blindly.

Sounds like you're in what we'd call the, "fighting the borrow
checker" stage.  It may be that you end up really not liking
Rust or feeling that other languages are better, but I wager
that just about anyone who has seriously used the language has
gone through similar things.

	- Dan C.

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                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-13 16:09 +0000
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                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers (was: Styles of addressing) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-14 18:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 13:14 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 16:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:38 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-17 21:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 22:10 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-18 16:38 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-09-19 06:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-19 06:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-20 02:56 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-20 20:12 +0000
                Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 06:55 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:04 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-23 05:39 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance (was: Optimization ...) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-23 18:34 +0000
                Re: Microarchitectural effects on performance Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-23 13:53 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-21 12:48 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 17:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-21 20:06 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 23:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-22 05:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-22 14:13 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-26 07:44 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 19:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-22 05:19 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-22 08:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 05:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 06:45 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-22 14:32 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:21 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-23 05:23 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-23 14:01 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 16:52 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:01 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 10:38 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:54 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 18:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 21:24 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-02 04:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 10:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 22:04 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-03 13:13 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-24 16:35 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 07:47 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-24 07:59 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-24 09:29 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-25 07:27 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 17:12 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-27 11:51 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-25 11:16 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 19:00 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 18:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-26 10:25 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-27 13:42 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 18:18 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-27 10:55 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-27 22:12 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-28 02:59 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-28 14:43 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 07:14 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 11:36 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:48 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-06 23:16 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 13:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 16:43 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 22:31 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 21:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-11 08:41 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-11 18:14 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-11 20:56 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 07:47 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-12 11:25 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 16:20 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-12 17:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 21:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-13 10:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 08:50 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-14 23:39 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-13 16:31 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-13 18:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-13 19:50 +0200
                Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-13 23:24 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-14 09:56 +0200
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-14 12:14 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-14 18:07 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-14 15:45 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-15 06:17 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-16 06:35 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-16 17:10 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-16 18:55 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-16 18:57 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 04:01 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-15 15:42 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-16 12:46 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-16 17:56 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 03:56 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-17 11:09 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-17 14:58 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-18 10:55 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-18 17:56 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 18:09 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-20 03:50 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-20 20:53 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 20:15 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:44 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-20 22:49 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-21 23:06 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 00:02 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-22 23:43 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-23 00:27 +0000
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-23 03:46 +0100
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:21 +0300
                Re: more Fortran, Comment delimiters David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 12:49 +0200
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:28 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-21 14:10 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:11 +0000
                Re: Algol, was more Fortran, Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:38 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-17 10:06 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-16 20:35 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-17 03:49 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:16 +0000
                Re: FORTRAN, was Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-18 02:03 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-17 08:51 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 22:54 -0400
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-19 08:39 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-19 08:42 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 01:43 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-14 22:43 +0000
                Re: Comment delimiters (was: Optimization by programmers) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-15 18:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-12 16:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 19:21 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 21:10 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +0000
                Re: smashing constants, sort of like Optimization by programmers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-13 00:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 15:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 18:37 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 21:07 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-17 02:03 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-07 22:25 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 20:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-07 23:25 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-07 22:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 22:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-09 16:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-07 22:13 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-08 05:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-08 12:05 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-08 22:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-28 19:58 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-29 15:44 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 13:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 17:50 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 11:47 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-30 18:03 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-30 17:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 06:58 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-02 20:38 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:23 -0700
                Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 11:12 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:45 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 08:29 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 18:29 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-10 14:18 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-10 17:31 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-11 15:40 +0000
                Re: Rust Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-11 14:26 -0400
                Re: Rust cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 19:14 +0000
                Re: Rust Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:15 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 19:13 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 22:28 +0300
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-11 09:27 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-11 22:43 +0300
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 05:01 -0700
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 15:21 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-07 05:41 -0700
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-07 14:23 +0000
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-06 21:18 -0400
                Re: Rust (was: Optimization by programmers) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 22:17 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-03 14:25 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 21:08 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 01:49 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 13:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 12:29 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:34 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-29 12:42 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 10:54 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-27 21:23 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-09-27 11:46 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-27 14:42 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 06:12 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 07:57 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 08:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 11:06 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 14:32 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 16:40 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 01:58 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-29 10:16 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-02 05:31 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-24 19:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:52 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-25 11:06 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-25 05:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 05:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-23 10:45 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-25 05:39 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 14:36 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-25 14:45 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-04 08:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 12:15 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 14:16 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 16:36 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 17:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 20:04 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 02:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 10:05 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-19 12:06 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-19 15:56 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 14:24 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-20 11:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 15:09 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-21 05:27 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 12:13 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 15:35 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 16:43 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:23 +0300
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-20 11:49 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-20 07:31 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 20:01 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-23 13:17 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-22 16:50 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-03 05:28 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 04:38 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-05 13:55 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-05 22:54 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 06:35 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 02:53 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-06 14:55 -0400
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-21 15:16 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-22 06:15 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-24 17:05 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-26 09:18 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 19:57 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-14 16:31 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-14 16:58 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:45 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 06:53 -0700
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-15 16:00 +0000
                Re: Optimization by programmers Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 19:40 +0200
                Re: Optimization by programmers anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-18 15:58 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 10:15 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-11 08:54 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-11 10:54 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 15:56 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:46 +0000
  Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:07 -0700
    Re: Styles of addressing MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-01 20:04 +0000
      Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 01:15 +0000
        Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-02 13:55 -0300
          Re: PDP-10 Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 17:32 +0000
      Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 02:42 +0000
        Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:19 -0700
          Re: Styles of addressing Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-02 20:39 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-02 21:09 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-02 22:01 +0000
          Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 08:34 +0000
            Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 01:37 +0000
              Re: Styles of addressing Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 08:25 +0200
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 08:13 +0000
              Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:43 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-10 05:41 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-10 17:16 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-12 02:29 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 07:49 +0000
            Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-11 23:30 -0700
              Re: Styles of addressing anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-12 08:23 +0000
                Re: Styles of addressing John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-12 18:34 +0000
      Re: Styles of addressing Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 17:15 -0700

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