Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.astro, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought
Date	2026-10-01 15:25 +1000
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On 1/10/2026 3:05 am, Old McDonald wrote:
> On 9/30/26 00:16, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 30/09/2026 4:11 am, Old McDonald wrote:
>>> On 9/29/26 00:06, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> On 29/09/2026 5:14 am, Old McDonald wrote:
>>>>> On 9/27/26 23:34, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/09/2026 3:29 pm, Old McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>> 9/27/26 19:25, Bill Sloman needs some extra help:
>>>>>>>> You can't observe gravity, only its effects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gravity waves are detected by they interference they produce in 
>>>>>>>> the propagation of laser beams. The system can detect tiny 
>>>>>>>> changes in the beam propagation distance - some small fraction 
>>>>>>>> of the diameter of a proton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Waves of spacetime distortion, not waves of gravity, produce the 
>>>>>>> effects detected by the interference pattern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody calls gravity waves "waves of gravity". And a displacement 
>>>>>> of a small fraction of the diameter of a proton isn't going 
>>>>>> produce any perceptible "interference pattern". There's something 
>>>>>> going on there that can be measured, but you won't be able to 
>>>>>> perceive it as any kind of visible pattern.
>>>>>
>>>>> But "a displacement" is many displacements. Some waves lasted 100 
>>>>> seconds. The laser bounced between mirrors while displacements 
>>>>> between the waves leading edge and its trailing edge added up.
>>
>> Except that they don't.
>>
>>>> So you haven't got a clue what you are talking about?
>>>
>>> Of course I have one! I described a vernier caliper.
>>
>> And what has LIGO got to do with a vernier caliper? Relying on false 
>> analogies may make you feel self-confident, but learning a bit about 
>> the stuff you are posting about would work better, if you had that 
>> capacity.
> 
> A displament of 0.001" does produce a perceptible interference pattern.

The diameter of a proton is rather smaller than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

> I don't have a LIGO, I have a Starrett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._S._Starrett_Company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO

The Starrett Company won't sell you a Laser Interferometer 
Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO). The Laser Interferometer 
Gravitational-Wave Observatory may be a measuring tool, but it is a 
rather specialised one.

-- 
Bill Sloman. Sydney

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Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-15 14:51 +0000
  Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-19 17:15 +0000
    Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-19 20:19 +0000
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 17:12 +1000
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-21 00:11 +0200
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:13 +1000
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-22 00:40 +1000
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-21 21:00 +0000
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-21 14:51 -0700
          Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-26 13:30 +0000
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-26 11:15 -0500
              Horizons (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 18:29 +0000
                Re: Horizons Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-28 10:10 -0700
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-29 19:09 -0700
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-30 17:20 +1000
    Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-19 17:19 -0700
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 17:21 +1000
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-20 12:59 -0700
          Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-21 00:25 +0200
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Trevor <shut.up@once.invalid> - 2026-09-20 23:48 -0700
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:21 +1000
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-21 15:07 +0200
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-22 13:52 -0700
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 16:23 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-23 16:36 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 04:44 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 16:46 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-24 19:13 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-24 19:28 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 06:52 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 15:58 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-25 12:10 -0700
                mass (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-25 20:11 +0000
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-10-01 17:34 +0200
                Re: mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-01 23:57 +0200
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0200
                Re: mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-02 19:42 +0200
                Re: mass William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 15:02 -0400
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 04:40 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-23 22:24 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 16:53 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:31 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-24 19:49 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:14 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-25 13:19 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-27 10:24 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 12:25 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-27 20:27 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-27 22:29 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 16:34 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-28 12:14 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-29 17:06 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-29 11:11 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-29 14:35 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-30 17:11 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-30 07:46 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-10-01 15:49 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-10-01 07:33 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-10-02 17:08 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-10-02 08:18 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-30 17:16 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-30 10:05 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-10-01 15:25 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-10-01 00:32 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 07:11 +0200
                mass (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-24 16:37 +0000
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 00:10 +0200
                Re: mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:25 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:43 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 03:09 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 20:47 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 15:36 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-26 10:10 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 21:01 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-26 11:03 -0500
                Hawking Radiation (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 17:20 +0000
                Re: Hawking Radiation ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 17:51 +0000
                Re: Hawking Radiation John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-26 13:22 -0500
                Re: Hawking Radiation ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 20:23 +0000
                Re: Hawking Radiation ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-27 09:18 +0000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-25 11:36 -0500
                mass (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-25 18:09 +0000
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:19 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:24 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 14:54 -0400
                Spacelike Correlations (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-24 19:08 +0000
                Re: Spacelike Correlations ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-24 19:31 +0000
                Re: Spacelike Correlations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 01:01 +0200
                Re: Spacelike Correlations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 00:59 +0200
                Veritasium (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 00:27 +0200
                Re: Veritasium William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 16:04 -0400

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