Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought

From	Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.astro, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought
Date	2026-09-27 10:24 -0700
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On 9/24/26 23:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 25/09/2026 12:49 pm, Old McDonald wrote:
>> On 9/24/26 09:31, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Old McDonald wrote in sci.physics, sci.electronics.design, sci.astro:
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>> On 9/23/26 19:40, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Curvature is sustained as long as the mass that it wraps around 
>>>>>> exists.
>>>>> And when it stops existing, or moves around, the curvature of 
>>>>> spacetime
>>>>> changes, but it cannot change immediately everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Well, let's think about that. Mass pops into existence, it pops out of
>>>> existence. I think that a "pop" happens in an instant. It may be that
>>>> curvature happens spontaneously, forcing mass to pop into existence. 
>>>> All
>>>> immediate and simultaneous.
>>>
>>> You are still not thinking clearly (and you are still amok-crossposting
>>> to science newsgroups under a "funny" pseudonym.  Do you even want to be
>>> taken seriously here?).
>>>
>>> The existence of an object has nothing to do with how the effects of its
>>> existence propagate through space. 
>>
>> I claimed that the effects of mass's *movement* propagate, and the 
>> effects of its *existence* are... I'll say static. Stable. All done, 
>> the fabric has sags in it.
>> Curvature and Waves are two different things. The waves are little 
>> ripples, which pass quickly. Do think they bring gravity with them, 
>> and leave it behind when they're gone?
> 
> You can't observe gravity, only its effects.
> 
> Gravity waves are detected by they interference they produce in the 
> propagation of laser beams. The system can detect tiny changes in the 
> beam propagation distance - some small fraction of the diameter of a 
> proton.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO
> 
> Curvature is notionally permanent, though since mass tends to be in 
> orbit around something else,  it frequently changes with time. Waves are 
> just more rapid changes. The moon in it's orbit around the earth 
> produces very low frequency gravity waves, and loses orbital speed in 
> consequence (though very little).

Gravity doesn't travel. Waves of "gravity", traveling at the speed of 
light, distort the spacetime within them, and gravity, which is already 
there in that spacetime, is distorted with it. I want to know, why is 
gravity already there?

Gravity doesn't attract mass, or anything else. Gravity repels. Where 
spacetime curves, like a bubble around an object, that object, and 
others nearby, are repelled by the curvature toward the bubble's center, 
which is coincident with the objects' center of mass.

* Gravity repels.
* It's always there, as long as curvature is there.
* Curvature is there as long as mass is there.

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Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-15 14:51 +0000
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    Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-19 20:19 +0000
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 17:12 +1000
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-21 00:11 +0200
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:13 +1000
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-22 00:40 +1000
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        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-21 14:51 -0700
          Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-26 13:30 +0000
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-26 11:15 -0500
              Horizons (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 18:29 +0000
                Re: Horizons Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-28 10:10 -0700
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-29 19:09 -0700
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-30 17:20 +1000
    Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-19 17:19 -0700
      Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 17:21 +1000
        Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-20 12:59 -0700
          Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-21 00:25 +0200
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Trevor <shut.up@once.invalid> - 2026-09-20 23:48 -0700
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:21 +1000
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-21 15:07 +0200
            Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-22 13:52 -0700
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 16:23 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-23 16:36 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 04:44 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 16:46 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-24 19:13 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-24 19:28 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 06:52 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 15:58 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-25 12:10 -0700
                mass (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-25 20:11 +0000
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-10-01 17:34 +0200
                Re: mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-01 23:57 +0200
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0200
                Re: mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-02 19:42 +0200
                Re: mass William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 15:02 -0400
              Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 04:40 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-23 22:24 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 16:53 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:31 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-24 19:49 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:14 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-25 13:19 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-27 10:24 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 12:25 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-27 20:27 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-27 22:29 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-28 16:34 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-28 12:14 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-29 17:06 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-29 11:11 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-29 14:35 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-30 17:11 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-30 07:46 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-10-01 15:49 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-10-01 07:33 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-10-02 17:08 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-10-02 08:18 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-30 17:16 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-09-30 10:05 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-10-01 15:25 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Old McDonald <eieio@patch.corn> - 2026-10-01 00:32 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 07:11 +0200
                mass (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-24 16:37 +0000
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 00:10 +0200
                Re: mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:25 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:43 -0700
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 03:09 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-25 20:47 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 15:36 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-26 10:10 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 21:01 +1000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-26 11:03 -0500
                Hawking Radiation (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 17:20 +0000
                Re: Hawking Radiation ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 17:51 +0000
                Re: Hawking Radiation John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-26 13:22 -0500
                Re: Hawking Radiation ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-26 20:23 +0000
                Re: Hawking Radiation ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-27 09:18 +0000
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-09-25 11:36 -0500
                mass (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-25 18:09 +0000
                Re: mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:19 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:24 +0200
                Re: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 14:54 -0400
                Spacelike Correlations (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-24 19:08 +0000
                Re: Spacelike Correlations ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-24 19:31 +0000
                Re: Spacelike Correlations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 01:01 +0200
                Re: Spacelike Correlations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 00:59 +0200
                Veritasium (was: Super massive black hole winds are 100 times more powerfull than scientists thought) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 00:27 +0200
                Re: Veritasium William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 16:04 -0400

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