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Re: Ralph's Paradox

From "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Ralph's Paradox
Date 2026-08-27 14:33 +0200
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Den 26.08.2026 13:02, skrev HenryWilson:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 22:31:39 +0200, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> 
>> Den 25.08.2026 03:47, skrev HenryWilson:
>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 23:24:43 +0200, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Read my other post. I will repeat it here:
>>>>
>>>> If you find something which you think is wrong,
>>>> quote me literally, and explain why it is wrong.
>>>
>>> What is wrong is that you are not applying P2 to the moving frame.
>>> If you do that, it becomes obvious that the travel times are equal in
>>> that frame and the reading advance of clock A will agree. tB-tA =
>>> tA'-tB according to Einstein from the eyes of Om.
>>
>> I do indeed "use the P2".
>> You have obviously not read what wrote, so we must start again.
>> Read it this time!
>>
>>
>>>> Quote from Einstein:
>>>> "We imagine further that at the two ends A and B of the rod,
>>>>     clocks are  placed which synchronize with the clocks of the
>>>>     stationary system, that is to say that their indications correspond
>>>>     at any instant to the “time of the stationary system” at the places
>>>>     where they happen to be. These clocks are therefore “synchronous in
>>>>     the stationary system.”
>>>
>>> .....'at the places where they happen to be!!!!! In other words,
>>> """anywhere""".
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous. An event is a point in space and time.
>> That is a position in space given by a x-coordinate, and a time shown by
>> a clock at the position in space "where it happens to be".
> If the readings of A and C coincide whenever they come together it is
> obvious that their readings coincide wherever they are.
> 
>> Now you can read Einstein's thought example and try to find something
>> which is wrong.
>>
> Paul, I don;t have to read it again. I know perfectly well what Einstein
> claims and I know why it leads to the paradox. That latter part is
> apparently too hard for you.
>   
>> Since B is moving at the speed v in the SS, we have:
>> (x₃-x₁) = rAB + v⋅(tB - tA)
>> Since the speed of light is c in the SS, we have:
>> c⋅(tB - tA) = rAB + v⋅(tB - tA)
>> (tB - tA) = rAB/(c-v
> 
>> Event 3: Light pulse hits A. A and C₂ show tA'.
>>                A_________B ->v
>> C____C₁______C₂_____C₃_____C____C  All Cs show tA'.
>>        x₁      x₂     x₃
>> C₂ and A are at position x₂ at event 3.
>> The coordinates of event 3 are (x₂,tA')
>>
>> Since A is moving at the speed v in the SS, we have:
>> (x₃-x₂) = rAB - v⋅(tA'- tB)
>> Since the speed of light is c in the SS, we have:
>> c⋅(tA'- tB) = rAB - v⋅(tA'- tB)
>> (tA'- tB) = rAB/(c+v)
> 
> Correct! You have stated the stationary observer's calculation according
> to Newton. I'm sure you will now agree that the reading of clock C will
> advance by DIFFERENT numbers during those opposite transits. Since A does
> whatever any C clock does, its reading wilL do the same...advance by two
> DIFERENT numbers.
>   
>> All the times and distances are measured in the SS.
>> But tA and tA' are times shown by clock A while tB is shown by clock B.
>> tA, tA' and tB are "pure numbers" independent of frames of reference.
>>
>> Since (tB - tA) > (tA'- tB),
>> A and B are not synchronous in their rest frame.
> 
> No Paul. You cannot say that. You must qualify it with the phrase
> "Therefore if P2 is correct....,A and B are not synchronous in their rest
> frame.

OK.

>> ================================================
>> Here I "use the P2".
>> The speed of light is c in the rest frame of clock A and B.
> 
> I already pointed that out..but you didn't go far enough...
> 
>> We know that the transit time T of the pulse between A and B is the same
>> in both direction.

So you find everything OK so far.

> 
> Great! So now you will agree that, irrespective of their synchronization
> the reading of clock A (or clock B) is predicted by Einstein and Om to
> advance by THE SAME number during those opposite transits..but we just
> established that they will differ..

:-D

Sure, SR predicts that the transit times between A and B are equal
in both directions.
But (tB - tA) is not the transit time between A and B,
and (tA'- tB) is not the transit time between B and A.

BECAUSE THE CLOCKS ARE NOT SYNCHRONOUS!

> 
> Need I continue?...You have finally discovered the logical impossibility.
> You will obviously now realize that the reading of clock A is PREDICTED to
> respond in two different ways during the same operation.

This is nonsense.

Read what you snipped:

We know that the transit time T of the pulse between
A and B is the same in both direction.

Note that (tA'- tB)+(tB - tA) = (tA + tA')
T = (tA + tA')/2.

To be in synch, tB should show T/2.
However, tB shows T/2 + F where F is a positive offset.

(tB + F - tA) = (tA' - tB - F)
F = (tA + tA')/2 - tB

Clock A is F ahead of clock B.
So clock A and clock B are not in sync.

Still not got it?

The transit time from A to B is (tB + F - tA)
The transit time from B to A is (tA' - tB - F)

(tB + F - tA) = (tA' - tB - F)
The transit times are  equal as predicted by SR.


> 
> Thanks Paul. . I assume you will now agree that postulating P2 generates a
> logical impossibility...and so P2 must be false.
> 
> Can you imagine the ramifications of that, Paul?

Quite.
The ramification is that you have made a logical blunder.



-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-02 07:21 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-01 21:12 +0000
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                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-02 02:34 +0000
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                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-06 22:33 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 07:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-08 14:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-08 19:16 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-09 19:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-09 23:28 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-10 20:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-11 07:47 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-11 20:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 00:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:58 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-13 11:10 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 22:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-14 01:51 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 15:39 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-14 22:12 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 23:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-15 05:29 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-15 04:59 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-12 21:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-12 22:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 01:31 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 01:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-13 22:23 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 22:49 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-14 21:18 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 23:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-15 13:36 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-15 13:50 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-15 23:20 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-16 20:36 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-16 20:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-16 22:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 06:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 05:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 07:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-17 11:18 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 11:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-17 21:12 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:01 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:58 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-18 11:49 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 22:33 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-18 11:09 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-18 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-18 20:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-19 14:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-19 14:34 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:45 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:32 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-20 11:17 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-20 11:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 10:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-20 13:43 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 15:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-20 19:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 09:56 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 12:25 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 10:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 12:54 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 13:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 13:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:40 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 16:00 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 16:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 15:25 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 17:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 15:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:14 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:28 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:41 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:20 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 19:46 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 19:41 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 07:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:17 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 11:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:58 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:14 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:21 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:29 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:32 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 13:17 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:55 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 14:11 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:00 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 15:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:07 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:16 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:26 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:24 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:55 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:06 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:12 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 20:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-23 07:11 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 09:19 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-22 21:46 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 21:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-23 00:38 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-23 17:44 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-25 23:22 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 19:12 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-26 08:20 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 05:39 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-26 21:00 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:45 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-27 00:45 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-27 23:06 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-24 19:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:40 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 23:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 19:43 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 12:07 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 18:56 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-21 21:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 20:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-22 14:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:29 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-23 17:03 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:52 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 01:22 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 17:53 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 17:56 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-26 23:55 +0000
                Deflection of light, gravitational redshift (was: Ralph's Paradox) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-27 07:33 +0200
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 09:40 -0700
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-27 10:19 -0700
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 06:01 +0000
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 09:30 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 05:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 20:33 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-22 14:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-23 01:07 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-23 20:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-24 22:28 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-25 09:43 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-26 10:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-27 23:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 06:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-28 19:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 11:15 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Little Bakadorov <elaloda@laooe.ru> - 2026-09-28 18:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 12:25 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Filiberto Bestolov <tr@btrloiit.ru> - 2026-09-27 18:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-22 15:03 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:42 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 22:41 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-18 05:29 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-18 07:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 08:54 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 08:56 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 09:06 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-17 20:08 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:02 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-18 20:16 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 15:33 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:23 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 17:43 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 10:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 07:34 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 16:03 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 13:44 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 22:26 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:56 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-08-27 13:06 +0000
  Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 14:15 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 16:48 +0200
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 16:49 +0200
      Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 15:28 +0000
        Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 17:37 +0200
        Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 09:35 -0700
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:56 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 19:17 +0200
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 12:27 -0700
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 12:29 -0700
          Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 20:17 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 15:58 -0700
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 17:48 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:03 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 06:09 +0200
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 07:50 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 16:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 16:27 +0000
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-23 16:42 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:49 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 17:07 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 17:35 +0000
      Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-21 21:04 +0200
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 22:28 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-22 22:03 +0200
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 22:41 +0200
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 15:20 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 16:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:00 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:15 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:35 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:45 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:48 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 17:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 19:14 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 17:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 19:28 +0200
      Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-22 21:43 +0200
  Re: Ralph's Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 14:24 -0700

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