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eking School versus Ljubljana School [Everything Is a Plugin] (Re: Ljubljana School versus Zurich School)

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Hi,

One cannot take people reporting about
attitude towards AI seriously. I mean
who uses a name Paul "Armer" and cites

a John "Troll". They are all high on weed.
And since writing code and doing mathematics
can overlap, the Peking School has no

problem doing a Horse Tinder via local AI:

DeepSeek is back... and Silicon Valley is terrified (*)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBByvFrqmWU

And the horsing around with a Plugin Calculus:

A Programming Paradigm for Spatiotemporal Composability
https://github.com/cordiverse/paper

73 lemmas and theorems, on 88 pages, half of it
looks like a theory about AI Fluents and backtrackable
dynamic logic, in functional clothes, sprinkled by

a theory about a Prolog module loader and unloader.

Woa!

Bye

(*) The transcript and video has:

"So, let's find out if it can build a production
version of Horse Tinder. For this OneShot prompt,
I'm using V4 Pro with the max settings:

Build a beautiful full stack web application
called "Horse Tinder", make no mistakes

"model's thinking process. But pretty cool.
And after staring at that for about 29 minutes
and 58 seconds, I finally had a working
application built"

I guess local AI still needs a booster.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I even don't remember exactly why I landed
> in comp.theory. A yes, because Rossy Boy,
> was hooked on SIMD and didn't understand Hack.
> 
> But the Hack work, rather belongs to my
> Alma Mater Zurich and my personal heros, Gutnecht
> and Wirth, who wrote a one pass Modula
> 
> compiler during some christmas holidays,
> back then when I was student. Not sure
> whether the Ljubljana School can do that,
> 
> when I read this here:
> 
> Finite Algebraic Effects as dicts and such
> https://www.philipzucker.com/bdd_term_alg_effects/
> 
> I only find gibberish like:
> - “Data” is somehow less mysterious to me
>    than “computation”.  [..] I don’t even
>    know what “computation” really is
> 
> - In temporal logic, there is a logic CTL
>    which talks about computation trees.
> 
> - Algerbaic (LoL) effects is almost a complete
>    hackery abuse of the notion of arity
>    and that’s neat.
> 
> - Then there are 10^10 etc vectors which
>    show up if you discretize 3d/4d space. [..]
>    or reinforcement learning.
> 
> - Etc..
> 
> WTF is this guy smoking? I mean he even
> doesn't uses math notation, only posts
> Python code fragments à go go,
> 
> possibly a Python brain damage.
> 
> But still less sever than Rossy Boys.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>  > Hello, here I'll post some design notes and a panel discussion with some
>  > chat-bots about making some sense of the "vector-wide scalar word"
>  > and "character machines", on commodity hardware about ubiquitous 
> operations.
>  >
>  >
>  > It's considered at least tangentially relevant to comp.lang.c and
>  > comp.lang.c++ because for example text is ubiquitous and the targets
>  > would be low-level, while the higher-level languages would have a
>  > same sort of patternry, and for example that libc and cstdlib are
>  > standard, and as with regards to POSIX and Unicode and so on.
>  >
>  > Please feel free to excuse or ignore, or comment as freely.
>  >
>  > Thanks for reading.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now toying around with a model finder,
>> for some rewritng problems. Not bad, I
>> didn't see that before on my computer:
>>
>> ?- time(mccune([e*X=X,X^(-1)*X=e,X*(Y*Z)=(X*Y)*Z, c*d\=d*c], 6, _)).
>> % Zeit 166.140 ms, GC 0.000 ms, Lips 18616 k
>> true
>>
>> ?- mccune([e*X=X,X^(-1)*X=e,X*(Y*Z)=(X*Y)*Z, c*d\=d*c], 6, R).
>> R = [d-2, c-1, 5*2-3, 5*5-4, 4*3-2, 3*5-2, 3*2-5, 4*4-5, 2*4-3,
>> 2*3-4, 3*4-1, 3*1-4, 5*3-1, 4*1-3, 1*5-3, 1*3-5, 2*1-5, 2*5-1,
>> 5*1-2, 4*2-1, 1*4-2, 1*2-4, 5*0-5, 4*0-4, 4*5-0, 5^ -1-4, 5*4-0,
>> 4^ -1-5, 3*0-3, 3*3-0, 3^ -1-3, 2*0-2, 2*2-0, 2^ -1-2, 1*0-1,
>> 1*1-0, 1^ -1-1, 0^ -1-0, 0*5-5, 0*4-4, 0*3-3, 0*2-2,
>> 0*1-1, 0*0-0, e-0]
>>
>> But still not as good as Mc Cune, wo reported
>> 0.010 seconds , so 10 ms (*). I guess I need to
>> explore more heuristics. But will it include
>>
>> union find? The payback of union find in such
>> search examples is so low. If |D| = n is the
>> domain size, then although |D x D| has size n^2,
>>
>> the diagonal E_D, namely E_D = { (x,y) | x e D,
>> y e D, x = y } has only size n. So the probability
>> of a pair in certain problem domains, is around 1/n,
>>
>> getting smaller and smaller with larger and larger n.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> (*)
>> https://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/AR/mace4/July-2005/doc/mace4.pdf 
>>
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is a nice example how the young generation
>>> doesn't understand systems that were developed
>>> 30 years ago:
>>>
>>> Example 1:
>>> No clue that SWI-Prolog does have JIT indexes,
>>> which explain mysterious differene between
>>> cold and warm run.
>>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.13600
>>>
>>> Example 2:
>>> No clue that subsumption could make a difference,
>>> claims left recursion is fastest, with referene
>>> to [TL10] and a bogus node argument.
>>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.21291
>>>
>>> Maybe the Prolog eduction group should organize
>>> a summer school about tabling?
>>>
>>> Sad news: It will not help to keep up with
>>> the AI boom. Whats behind the AI boom and
>>> computing transitive closures?
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Ok, thats noice:
>>>>
>>>> "On a GPU cluster, the ratio of high computing
>>>> power to communication bandwidth makes scaling
>>>> breadth-first search (BFS) on a scale-free
>>>> graph extremely challenging."
>>>>
>>>> Scalable Breadth-First Search on a GPU Cluster
>>>> Yuechao Pan, Roger Pearce, John D. Owens
>>>> 2018 - Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
>>>> https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03922
>>>>
>>>> Sniff, still passed the deadline Q1 2026 for
>>>> my GigaLIPS Prolog. There were so many other
>>>> improvements , more low hanging fruits to cover.
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: Wanna rent some GPUs?
>>>>
>>>> Cloud GPU Index
>>>> Compare 2,542 GPU prices across 57 cloud providers
>>>> https://getdeploying.com/gpus
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>> Well its called "artificial" intelligence.
>>>>> Like "atificial" flowers made from plastic
>>>>> try to share the look and feel of natural flowers,
>>>>>
>>>>> articial intelligence tries to share the
>>>>> look and feel of natural intelligence.
>>>>> AI is not really genetic engineering of
>>>>>
>>>>> bioforms, right? However, there is a research
>>>>> frontier sometimes called biocomputing or
>>>>> synthetic biology AI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kunstblumen
>>>>> https://www.xxxlutz.ch/kunstblumen-C22C8C1
>>>>>
>>>>> The convergence of AI and synthetic biology: the looming deluge
>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s44385-025-00021-1
>>>>>
>>>>> x schrieb:
>>>>>> On 3/7/26 03:08, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Resolution of Erd˝os Problem #728
>>>>>>> We provide a writeup of a resolution of Erd˝os
>>>>>>> Problem #728; this is the first Erd˝os problem
>>>>>>> (a problem proposed by Paul Erd˝os which has
>>>>>>> been collected in the Erd˝os Problems website [3])
>>>>>>> regarded as fully resolved autonomously by an AI
>>>>>>> system. The system in question is a combination of
>>>>>>> GPT-5.2 Pro by OpenAI and Aristotle by Harmonic,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess there is something called 'logic' and then
>>>>>> there is something called 'semantics'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it matter if words have meaning?  If the
>>>>>> answer is no - then of course you can generate
>>>>>> the look and feel of meaning through 'AI'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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