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Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers
Date	2026-08-16 03:09 -0400
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On Sat, 8/15/2026 5:59 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> 
>> Nobody is going to make a "properly designed PCB" for you.
> 
> I wouldn't say that...
> 

People who work in an industry, can look at
a thing, and tell you what's wrong with it.
My layout people are excellent at this. A few of
them, managed to memorize a five inch thick book
of rules for PCB design, and they can quote you
chapter and verse on "preferred" ways to do things.
They do this, because that's their job and they
do that every day.

The staff at the factory, they inspect the design
package you send them, and they will provide copious
feedback about things that must change. If I have my
good layout person, the staff at the factory have
nothing to complain about. He speaks their language.

If you're making schlock, then it does not matter
what you do. Factory people will still complain, if
they're throwing away 3% of the items because "they don't work".
Your design quality must be good enough, to not shoot
yourself in the foot and rob your company of its profit margin.
You can screw the customer with your nasty designs,
as long as you're not screwing yourself. The product
has to be able to leave the factory, then it doesn't
matter what happens after that, at a schlock company.

And yes, I've seen commercial items that were unacceptable.
We expect the $5 transistor radios of yesteryear, to be full
of that sort of stuff (generally, bad soldering jobs, dry joints
and blobs). But when I bought a video card for $1000, I should
not be seeing bodges that not even a hobbyist would try, on
my $1000 item. Any hobbyist who looked at that layout, they could
immediately identify that as a "WTF is THAT". Even a civilian would
notice "hmmm, this thing is not the same as any of the
other things on this board". Fortunately, that company is
out of business, I don't know why... "Bad luck", I would guess.

If you use conservative design rules, you get better results.
The factory likes you. The customer likes you.

   Paul

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My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-15 09:19 -0400
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 09:28 -0400
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 12:58 -0400
    Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-08-15 14:03 -0400
      Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-15 17:19 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-15 16:59 -0500
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 03:09 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 00:06 +0000
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 20:27 -0400
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 12:42 +0000
              Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 11:47 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:01 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 00:22 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 02:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 07:14 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 17:52 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Robert Bender" <robbiemebender@hotmail.com> - 2026-08-19 01:31 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Glock <glock@localhost.com> - 2026-08-19 01:41 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 07:08 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 07:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 13:44 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 23:24 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 23:22 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-18 03:50 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 23:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 17:53 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 14:07 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 18:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:26 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:33 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:37 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 17:48 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-19 20:01 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 18:31 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-19 20:36 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 21:02 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:38 +0000
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 04:02 -0400
      Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 08:18 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-16 18:12 -0700
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:00 -0400
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-16 20:38 -0700
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-16 21:18 -0400
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-16 18:23 -0700
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:58 -0400
              Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-16 21:27 -0700
    Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-15 21:14 -0400
      Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 04:33 -0400
      Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 16:57 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-16 18:14 -0700
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:11 -0400
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-17 20:53 -0700
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-15 14:47 -0400
    Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-15 21:16 -0400
    Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 16:56 -0400
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-16 18:06 -0700

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