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Incredible expanding ROM [increasing complex BIOS density]

From Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject Incredible expanding ROM [increasing complex BIOS density]
Date 2026-08-06 22:48 -0500
Organization csiph.com Internet News Service
Message-ID <1153kjg$nlr$1@csiph.com> (permalink)

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This kerfuffle started by Joshua coincided with my evaluating a 8570-161 
that Elizabeth Holes turned me on to.

Turns out that it is one of TWO systems that use EPROMs that are 
compatible with Mask ROMs. 8570-161 [short sysboard] and the 8573-P70 
[late sysboard].

I then listed all the micro channel system ROMs and foundt that almost 
all MCA PS/2s use JEDEC except those two systems.

But I noticed a strange disturbance in the force. The T0- complex uses 
an AM27C020, which is a 256Kx8 ROM. All later T1 /T2 complexi [except T1 
upgrade DX2-66] use the AM27C010 [128Kx8].

According to AMD, the AM27C0x0 series is upward and downward pin 
compatible in density. As noted already, the T0- used a HIGHER density 
than the T0+ -AND- all EPROM-based Type 1. The datasheets say the 
AM27C0x0 series are compatible up to 8Mbit.

My SWAG is that IBM decided to split the POST from a single image into 
two, Stage 1 and Stage 2. MAJ Tom identified ROM in the T0-, not just 
IML... With the split of stages, IBM could use the lower density 27C010 
for stage 1 and put stage 2 on the HD.

With the incredible super powers granted to me by the white alkaloid 
poison known as caffeine, the walls flexed.

How about dropping in a higher density complex EPROM? Combine Stage 1 
and Stage 2 T1 complex BIOS into a single image and not need to do the 
convoluted bank loading / switching needed by IML. In effect, we have 
Flash ROM convenience where we can use IDE or RAID if we wandt.

If Joshua whips the refdisk into shape and slims it down, perhaps the 
lean 'n mean refdisk can be placed into the larger EPROM [say a 
AM27C080]. Instead of triggering the floppy, there could be a hook in 
the complex BIOS like "F1".

Although I am using the complex BIOS and the AM27C0x0, I am not sure if 
the other systems have EPROMs that are pin compatible with lower density 
EPROMs.

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Incredible expanding ROM [increasing complex BIOS density] Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> - 2026-08-06 22:48 -0500
  Re: Incredible expanding ROM [increasing complex BIOS density] "Josh Rodd" <joshua.at.rodd.dot.us@rodd.us> - 2026-08-08 14:46 +0000

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