The turbo capping of AI Laptops (Was: The Koan of pi-WAM queues [FORTRAN-S])

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics
Subject	The turbo capping of AI Laptops (Was: The Koan of pi-WAM queues [FORTRAN-S])
Date	2026-07-26 20:00 +0200
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Hi,

Mostlikely we see the turbo capping of certain
CPU designs, that have turbo mode when CPU
is used with mostly only one thread active,

but throttles down when more threads are active.
This has even resulted in designs with performance
cores and economy cores.

So the factor below for 8 cores is only:

6.628 ms / 1.941 ms = 3.415

But if you discount for turbo versus non-turbo,
i.e. 5 GHz versus 3 GHz or so. You see that
the machine was not utilized very badly:

3.415 * 5 / 3 = 5.691

The class ElevenMulti does use 6 workers,
and 1 producer and 1 consumer.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> You see it all boils down to find your inner peace
> by an immaculate inception of some queue datatype.
> 
> KOAN/Fortran-S was an early 1990s research programming
> system for distributed-memory multiprocessors . Developed
> at ENS Lyon in the early 1990s . Often listed alongside
> other historical parallel programming efforts.
> 
> The Message Passing: The research explicitly
> compared the SVM approach against message passing
> on the same hardware . The finding was that SVM
> could achieve good performance without the low-level
> 
> complexity of managing explicit messages, though
> the best results often came from a hybrid approach (sic!)
> Here is an interesting baseline, from Java,
> a class ElevenSingle that only does:
> 
>      public static void run() {
>          for (int A = 1; A < 192; A++) {
>              int Y = (771-A)/3;
>              for (int B = A; B < Y; B++) {
>                  int Z = (771-A-B)/2;
>                  for (int C = B; C < Z; C++) {
>                      int D = 711-A-B-C;
>                      if (A*B*C == 711000000/D &&
>                            711000000 % D == 0)
>      System.out.println("A="+A+", B="+B+", C="+C+", D="+D);
>                  }
>              }
>          }
>      }
> 
> And then compare it to ElevenMulti, doing some
> Work Balancing Scheduler Tetris Game with 8 cores:
> 
> ElevenSingle
> A=120, B=125, C=150, D=316
> 6.628 ms
> 
> ElevenMulti
> A=120, B=125, C=150, D=316
> 1.941 ms
> 
> Not great, not terrible!
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Its not tested on some Single Instruction/
>> Multiple Data (SIMD) GPU. It was only tested on
>> AI Laptops with Multiple instruction, Multiple
>>
>> Data (GPU) architecture for the scalar registers
>> per logical thread. As introduced by NVIDIA Volta
>> in around 2017:
>>
>>  > the first product was not announced until May 2017
>>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volta_%28microarchitecture%29
>>
>> Although I wrote the code of Hack VM with SIMD
>> in mind, I never tested it on a pure SIMD GPU,
>> and I never ported boot.mjs or boot2.mjs to
>>
>> WebGL2 / GLSL. I uploaded WebGPU / WGSL. Among the
>> tester I had were these AI Laptops, that could all
>> run WebGPU / WGSL in a browser:
>>
>>  > Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 258V
>>  > AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M
>>  > Apple A18 Pro, Darwin Kernel Version 25.5.0
>>  > Snapdragon(R) X - X126100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) CPU
>>
>> Some AI Laptops had WebGPU / WGSL still behind
>> a browser flag, since its relatively new on ARM.
>> Also the above AI Laptops have all a iGPU and
>>
>> not a separate GPU card.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Ride the snake
>>> He's old and his skin is cold
>>> The west is the best
>>> The west is the best
>>> Get here and we'll do the rest
>>> The blue bus is calling us
>>> The blue bus is calling us
>>> Driver, where you taking us?
>>>
>>> Apocalypse Now intro: The Doors, The End {1979}
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrvSJwwJUE
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>>  > Hi,
>>>  >
>>>  > Again I posted everything here:
>>>  >
>>>  >> 11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop
>>>  >> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
>>>  >
>>>  > The repo says, same time when I posted
>>>  > the link first time:
>>>  >
>>>  >> This repository was archived by the
>>>  >> owner on Jul 9, 2026. It is now read-only.
>>>  >
>>>  > Now a USENET user, who had already entitled
>>>  > himself for a couple of irrational accusations
>>>  >
>>>  > towards my side, is asking this question:
>>>  >
>>>  > Chris M. Thomasson schrieb, Jul 24, 2026
>>>  >> Show an outline of what you
>>>  >> need you compute shader to do?
>>>  >
>>>  > Bravo, thats a delay of a wooping 15 days.
>>>  >
>>>  > Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Remember when first all local AI was Python
>>>> and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people started
>>>> using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:
>>>>
>>>> How it started:
>>>>
>>>> GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
>>>> language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
>>>> in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
>>>> generative pre-trained transformer model
>>>> designed to produce human-like text that
>>>> continues from a prompt.
>>>> https://www.eleuther.ai/
>>>>
>>>> How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:
>>>>
>>>> So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
>>>> some calculations and I figure out “Okay, 65
>>>> billion parameters. You probably need about
>>>> 40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
>>>> this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?”
>>>>
>>>> Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
>>>> for all that I saw it’s pretty much GPT-J architecture
>>>> with some modifications, like some extra memorization
>>>> layers. It’s minor changes. Basically, again, the
>>>> existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
>>>> modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
>>>> https://changelog.com/podcast/532
>>>>
>>>> Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
>>>> Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
>>>> ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>
>>
>

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