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| From | olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.logic, sci.math, comp.theory |
| Subject | Re: Olcott's system |
| Date | 2026-07-15 11:25 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <1138ca3$1aggb$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 7/15/2026 4:19 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 13/07/2026 19:28, olcott wrote: >> On 7/13/2026 2:38 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 12/07/2026 19:56, olcott wrote: >>>> On 7/12/2026 11:48 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>> [ Followup-To: set ] >>>>> >>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/2026 9:30 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 3:11 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>> If I am correct Olcott wants to build a system such that it will >>>>>>>>> convince everybody of the truth. E.g. he thinks that he will be >>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>> prove that the 'Trump sentence'" 'Trump lost the elections in 2020 >>>>>>>>> because of fraud' is not true. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A few questions: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) How many petabytes of basic-facts and rules does he need to >>>>>>>>> construct >>>>>>>>> his proof? >>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) Given that even after 20 years he did not convince anyone >>>>>>>>> about the >>>>>>>>> correctness of one 'basic fact', how many peta-years do you >>>>>>>>> think he >>>>>>>>> needs to convince a believer of the Trump sentence that all his >>>>>>>>> basic >>>>>>>>> facts and rules are correct? >>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) How is Olcott going to prove that his system is correct? His >>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>> is not able to prove its own correctness, because of a self- >>>>>>>>> reference. >>>>> >>>>>>>> This aspect can be implemented manually by carefully >>>>>>>> searching for the answer to this one question: >>>>> >>>>>>>> Was there any actual evidence of election fraud >>>>>>>> that could have possibly change the outcome of >>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election? >>>>> >>>>>>> No, you've completely missed the point of Fred's question. His >>>>>>> question >>>>>>> wasn't about the 2020 USA election; that was just used as an >>>>>>> example. >>>>>>> Fred's question was about how are you going to prove your ENTIRE >>>>>>> SYSTEM >>>>>>> is correct? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is best understood by how the single example >>>>>> is proved correct. >>>>> >>>>> Rubbish! A single example may be proven correct, but that has no >>>>> bearing >>>>> on the correctness of the whole system. >>>> >>>> It is a very important example that does determine >>>> the fate of our whole Democracy. >>> >>> It is not as important as you seem to think. Democracy has collapsed >>> may times in many places but has survived elseqhere and has many times >>> been restored where it has collapsed. >>> >>> It is possible that federal democracy collapses in United States. At >>> least some states may try to keep their internal democracy or their >>> freedom or both, which may result in disintegration of the union, >>> much like happened in Mexico with the consequence that Texas switched >>> to another state. >>> >>> But something unrelated could cause the collapse anyway even if your >>> example question could be fullly convincingly answered. >> >> It seems that most people are too fucking stupid >> to get this > > I never claimed otherwise, about you or other stupid peaople. > >> Claims without supporting evidence cannot >> be correctly accepted as true. > > I havn't seen amy people accepting your claims. > We ARE having the rise of the fourth Reich because too many fucking morons are so fucking stupid that they accept claims without supporting evidence as verified facts. They do this without having any idea what evidence is and how it works. They are so fucking stupid that they honestly believe that yelling at someone is how you prove your point. -- Copyright 2026 Olcott My 28 year goal has been to make "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language" reliably computable for the entire body of general knowledge. The complete structure of this system is now defined. The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is comprised of two types of relations between finite strings: (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true. My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal language such as CycL of the Cyc project. (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 09:15 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 14:30 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:13 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 16:48 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 10:38 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:28 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 12:19 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:25 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 11:01 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:24 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 13:32 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:34 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 18:10 -0600
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 12:48 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:18 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:13 +0300
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:28 -0400
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:05 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:31 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:22 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:37 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:17 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:48 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 21:09 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:01 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:07 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:33 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:38 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:49 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:29 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:38 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:03 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 21:12 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:03 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 20:18 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:42 +0300
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 08:08 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 08:25 -0700
Theatheory (not Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes)) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 14:00 -0700
Re: Theatheory (not Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes)) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 15:28 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-17 09:20 +0300
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 07:24 -0700
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 23:43 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 16:03 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:05 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:51 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:35 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:41 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:34 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 12:34 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 20:10 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:19 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:45 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:43 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:35 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:45 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:30 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:26 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:06 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:47 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:49 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-18 11:59 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-19 11:46 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-20 07:23 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-20 11:02 +0300
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 10:38 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:51 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 11:29 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:00 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 12:49 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:57 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0400
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:29 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:31 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:46 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:51 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:06 -0400
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:34 -0700
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:15 -0600
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 11:08 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:33 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:43 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 17:14 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:20 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:24 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 17:49 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:48 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:41 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 19:39 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:59 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:12 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:33 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:48 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:04 -0500
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:22 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:11 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:52 -0500
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:59 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:10 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:59 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:19 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:16 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:54 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:13 +0300
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:36 -0400
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:45 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:57 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:24 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:00 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:25 +0300
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:50 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:08 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:31 +0300
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:25 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:04 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:15 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:27 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:03 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:21 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:27 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:40 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:57 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:15 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:28 -0400
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:38 -0600
Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:44 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:10 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 16:31 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:33 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 18:32 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 19:53 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:00 -0400
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:18 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:19 -0400
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:23 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:26 -0400
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:28 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:49 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:34 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 10:47 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:00 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 11:49 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:55 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:27 +0300
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:52 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:56 -0700
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-18 14:52 +0100
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:34 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:49 -0500
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:52 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:30 +0300
Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:07 -0500
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 16:50 +0000
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:19 -0500
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 17:54 +0000
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:05 -0500
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-18 11:32 +0100
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:45 +0300
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