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Re: Olcott's system

From olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math
Subject Re: Olcott's system
Date 2026-07-14 16:04 -0500
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On 7/14/2026 3:48 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [ Followup-To: set ]
> 
> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/14/2026 3:12 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/14/2026 2:39 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> [ .... ]
> 
>>>>>> You always disagree with everything that I say instead
>>>>>> of trying to understand anything that I say. Quit fucking
>>>>>> doing that.
> 
>>>>> Maybe when you start trying to understand the mathematical subject
> 
>>>> I am replacing all of that nit wit.
> 
>>> You can't.  You can stipulate all the falsehoods you want, it won't
>>> affect the fundamental mathematical truths which you so dislike.
> 
>> P <semantically entails> Q means syntactic
>> derivation implements semantic entailment
>> encoded in syntactically the language.
>> This is the only inference steps allowed.
> 
> For the third time, consider correcting the grammatical error in the
> above before you copy and paste it again.
> 

I see no error.

P <semantically entails> Q means
that means semantic meaning of P necessitates
the semantic meaning of Q.

I own a pet cat <semantically entails>
that I own a pet.

>> That defines a whole new process.
> 
> It will define something not very interesting in a familiar mathematical
> category of things.  Universal results such as the principle of explosion
> and Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem will continue to apply inside it.
> 

Yes infallible reasoning is very boring yet prevents
many terrible things.

>>>>> matter, you might begin to say things which others can understand and
>>>>> even agree with.
> 
>>>>> Here's a clue - if you stipulate a falsehood,
> 
>> I am stipulating a whole fucking different set of steps.
> 
> You can stipulate 2 + 2 = 5 for all I care.  It doesn't render it true.
> 
 > It's far from clear precisely what you're trying to stipulate, and 
it's> even less clear _why_ you're trying to do it.
> 

Only because you utterly insist on only being
disagreeable and nothing else.

>>>>> it doesn't thereby become true.  It's one way to lead to a
>>>>> contradiction, from which anything can be proven.
> 
>> -- 
>> Copyright 2026 Olcott
> 


-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of general knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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Olcott's system "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-07-12 10:11 +0200
  Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 09:15 -0500
    Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 14:30 +0000
      Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:13 -0500
        Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 16:48 +0000
          Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:56 -0500
            Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 10:38 +0300
              Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:28 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 12:19 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:25 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 11:01 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:24 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 13:32 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:34 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 18:10 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 12:48 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:18 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:13 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:28 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:05 +0300
      Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 10:22 +0300
        Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 13:51 +0000
          Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:31 -0500
            Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:22 +0000
              Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:37 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:17 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:33 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:48 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 21:09 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:01 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:07 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:33 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:39 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:49 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:29 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:38 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:03 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 21:12 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:03 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 20:18 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:42 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 21:27 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 23:43 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 16:03 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:05 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:51 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:35 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:41 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:34 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 12:34 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 20:10 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:19 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:45 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:43 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:35 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:45 +0300
              Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 08:44 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-17 12:43 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:55 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-21 15:02 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-21 16:36 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 11:10 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-22 19:20 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 13:43 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-24 11:42 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-24 12:24 +0000
            Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:30 +0300
          Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:19 +0300
            Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:30 +0000
              Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:54 +0300
            Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:26 -0500
              Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:06 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:47 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:49 +0300
      Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 00:41 -0700
    Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 10:38 -0600
      Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:51 -0500
        Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 11:29 -0600
          Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:00 -0500
            Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 12:49 -0600
              Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:57 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:29 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:31 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:46 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:51 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:06 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:34 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:15 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 11:08 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:33 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:43 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 17:14 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:20 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:24 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 17:49 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:48 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:41 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 19:39 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:59 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:12 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:33 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:48 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:04 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:07 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:22 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:11 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:52 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:59 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:10 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:59 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:19 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:16 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:54 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:13 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:36 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:45 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:57 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:16 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:24 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:00 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:25 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:50 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:08 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:31 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:25 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:04 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:15 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:27 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:03 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:21 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:27 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:40 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:57 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:15 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:28 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:38 -0600
                Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:44 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:10 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 16:31 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:33 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 18:32 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 19:53 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:00 -0400
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:18 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:19 -0400
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:23 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:26 -0400
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:28 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:49 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:34 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 10:47 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:00 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 11:49 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:55 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:27 +0300
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:56 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:34 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:49 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:52 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:30 +0300
                Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:07 -0500
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 16:50 +0000
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:19 -0500
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 17:54 +0000
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:05 -0500
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-18 11:32 +0100
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:52 +0300
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:45 +0300
  Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:23 -0500
    Re: Olcott's system inconsistent "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-07-13 08:24 +0200
      Re: Olcott's system inconsistent olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:35 -0500
        Re: Olcott's system inconsistent "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-07-22 10:31 +0200

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