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Re: Receipts - But a new slant

From Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Receipts - But a new slant
Date 2026-07-01 22:09 +1200
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On 1/07/2026 6:51 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 30.06.2026 kl. 23.01 skrev Ross Clark:
> 
>>>> It looks as though there is no way to re-seal the jar, is that the 
>>>> case?
>>>
>>> No, they re-seal just like any screw lid.  That is, the lid is tight
>>> against the jar, but the vacuum that was there originally has gone.
>>>
>>> I think the main point is that to open a new jar you don't have to
>>> simultaneously overcome the static friction of the screw thread and
>>> the suction of the vacuum.  It's only after you have successfully
>>> started turning that it engages with the flat lid.
>>>
>>> -- Richard
>>>
>>
>> Is this just the Mason jar, patented by John Landis Mason of New 
>> Jersey in 1858?
> 
> No, those are not the jars I'm talking about. Richard Tobin gave this 
> link to a picture:
> 
> 
> https://www.packagingstrategies.com/articles/93294-easy-open-orbit-cap-helps-consumers-of-all-ages 
> 

Yes; I couldn't open that picture before, and the previous picture was 
of Mason jars (actually so captioned). I've now looked at the diagram of 
the Orbit mechanism, and the one essential addition appears to be a link 
connecting the screw top to the sealed lid, so that without letting go 
of the screw top you can pull the lid off. I guess that's a welcome 
improvement for some people, but, as Tony pointed out, the vaccum seal 
on a Mason jar was not necessarily strong, and the lid might readily be 
removed using a fingernail. (I remember using a beer can opener, but 
gently, so as to avoid bending or puncturing the lid.)

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Receipts - But a new slant Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 10:34 -0400
  Re: Receipts - But a new slant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-28 17:36 +0200
  Re: Receipts - But a new slant richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-06-28 17:03 +0000
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-29 06:04 +0200
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-29 20:26 +0100
  Re: Receipts - But a new slant Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-29 06:27 +0100
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 17:33 -0700
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 10:38 +1000
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:37 +0200
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 19:33 +0100
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:36 +0200
  Re: Receipts - But a new slant Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-06-29 02:33 -0300
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-29 16:51 +0200
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-06-30 01:59 -0300
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-30 07:25 +0200
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-30 10:32 +0200
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 19:40 -0700
  Re: Receipts - But a new slant "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-06-29 17:53 +0200
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 12:26 -0400
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-29 20:30 +0100
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-29 21:54 +0200
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-06-29 20:38 +0000
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-30 10:12 +1000
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 23:00 -0400
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-30 09:26 +0100
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 19:40 -0700
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 20:26 -0700
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-06-30 02:12 -0300
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-30 08:34 +0200
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-30 10:36 +0200
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 19:40 -0700
    Re: Receipts - But a new slant athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-29 16:59 +0000
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-06-29 19:17 +0000
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-30 07:03 +0100
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-30 07:46 +0000
      Re: Receipts - But a new slant Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 16:36 -0400
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-30 07:03 +0100
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-30 08:44 +0200
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-06-30 09:13 +0000
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-30 10:16 +0100
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-06-30 09:36 +0000
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-30 11:44 +0200
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-30 11:13 +0100
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-30 14:46 +0200
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-30 11:43 +0200
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 11:07 -0400
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-06-30 16:34 +0000
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 13:59 -0400
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-01 09:01 +1200
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 18:20 -0400
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-01 08:51 +0200
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-01 22:09 +1200
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-30 16:50 +1000
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-30 08:17 +0100
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-30 17:55 +1000
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-30 14:43 +0100
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-03 08:13 +0200
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:30 +0100
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 17:15 +1000
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 10:36 +0200
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-30 09:30 +0200
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 08:41 -0400
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-30 14:48 +0200
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-06-30 14:11 -0400
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-30 20:17 +0100
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-30 09:26 +0100
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-30 11:52 +0000
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-04 09:38 +0000
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 21:13 -0400
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-05 09:22 +0200
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 13:53 -0400
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-02 18:35 -0300
            Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 10:21 +1000
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-03 02:05 -0300
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 12:08 +0200
              Re: Receipts - But a new slant Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 10:13 -0400
                Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 17:25 +1000
        Re: Receipts - But a new slant Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-30 20:07 +0100
          Re: Receipts - But a new slant Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-01 10:16 +1000

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