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Re: Nobody understands relativity

From "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: Nobody understands relativity
Date 2026-06-09 20:22 +0200
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Den 09.06.2026 11:06, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
> On 6/9/2026 10:59 AM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 09.06.2026 07:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
>>>
>>> Even such a disgusting
>>> piece of lying shit as Paul is -
>>> admits that those clocks related
>>> to "synchronisation of the rate of
>>> atomic clocks" are adjusted down compared
>>> to your ideological absurd.
>>
>> Are you referring to the fact that I have
>> told you that an atomic clock in GPS orbit must be
>> adjusted down by the factor (1 - 4.4647e-10)
>> to be in sync with atomic clocks on the ground?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>
>> Any person with IQ > 80 will understand that
>> if the clock had not been adjusted down by
>> the factor (1 - 4.4647e-10) then its rate would
>> be (1 + 4.4647e-10) faster, which means that it
>> would have measured the duration of one orbit
>> of a GPS satellite to be longer by the factor
>> (1 + 4.4647e-10) compared to the duration of
>> the orbit measured by a clock on the ground.
>> As predicted by GR.
> 
> And any person with IQ > 60 will understand that
> there is a big, big, big  difference between
> "it would have if" and "it has".

So you think that no unadjusted clock has been flown in GPS orbit,
and with your sharp sense of logic you think that if it had, the 
unadjusted clock would still run at the same rate as the adjusted
clock and stay in sync with clocks on the ground.

You are wrong.
An unadjusted clock has been flown in GPS orbit.

Read this:
https://paulba.no/paper/Initial_results_of_GPS_satellite_1977.pdf

This was the first test of a GPS clock in orbit.
The engineers were only interested in getting the GPS to work.
They weren't sure if Einstein was right, so they first tried
to run the clock unadjusted. The clock was then found to run
fast by the factor (1 + 4.425e-10) compared to clocks on the ground.
They had to switch on the adjustment to make the GPS work.


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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                Re: Nobody understands relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-06-09 21:27 +0200
                Re: Nobody understands relativity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-06-09 21:37 +0200
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