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Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives

From olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.messianic, comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.skeptic
Subject Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives
Date 2026-06-07 14:34 -0500
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On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <moebius@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.
>>>>
>>>> fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the
>>>> building
>>>
>>> Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
>>> consideration.
> 
> WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit 
> by a jet
> 
>>>
>>> Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events
>>> is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.
> 
> uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office 
> fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns
> 
> there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns
>   - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos
>   - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
>   - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above
> 
> they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the 
> videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a 
> modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me 
> question the nature of human intelligence...
> 
> it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire- 
> safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary 
> and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers 
> collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the 
> entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite 
> amazing considering our safety standards in building these things even 
> penetrates the 3rd world quite well.
> 

The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
government would murder thousands of US citizens
for political advantage is (at that time) too
unreasonably implausible.

alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
I spent many years there.

-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
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Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:03 -0700
  Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:10 +0200
    Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 13:49 -0700
      Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 22:57 +0200
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 14:02 -0700
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 23:03 +0200
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 14:19 -0700
  Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:17 +0200
    Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:22 -0700
      Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:27 +0200
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:38 -0700
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:46 +0200
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:55 -0700
              Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 05:03 +0200
              Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 14:04 -0700
      Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:34 -0700
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:39 +0200
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:49 -0700
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:55 +0200
              Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 14:06 -0700
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 23:13 +0200
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 05:10 +0200
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 19:04 -0700
              Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 06:23 -0700
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:44 +0200
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 11:07 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 10:37 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-07 19:55 +0200
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 11:23 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 14:25 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 14:23 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 14:34 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 17:01 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 16:20 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 17:37 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 15:49 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 18:30 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 17:29 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 19:52 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 18:12 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 20:19 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 23:06 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:23 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 22:29 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:35 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 22:58 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:07 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:13 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-12 18:01 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 08:10 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-08 09:52 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 09:27 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:02 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 11:22 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:31 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 11:46 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 11:08 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 14:51 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 14:22 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 16:44 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 17:08 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 19:24 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-09 20:27 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-08 21:27 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:01 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 19:45 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 16:58 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 20:45 -0500
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 20:43 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-09 00:08 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:29 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-09 00:46 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-08 23:57 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-09 09:54 -0400
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-09 07:19 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-09 11:04 -0400
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                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-09 09:01 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-09 14:39 -0400
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                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-09 23:24 -0700
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                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-11 21:45 -0700
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                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 11:51 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:16 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is incredibly bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 21:16 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 20:57 -0700
                Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it? --- Alternatives Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 20:55 -0700
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> - 2026-06-07 10:49 -0400
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 14:04 -0700
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 23:08 +0200
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 14:30 -0700
              Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 23:37 +0200
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 21:04 -0700
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 23:27 -0500
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 14:26 -0700
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 16:48 -0500
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 21:00 -0700
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-07 22:37 -0700
              Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:44 +0200
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:47 +0200
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:48 +0200
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 12:16 -0700
                Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-10 12:46 -0700
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    Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 04:22 +0200
      Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 20:49 -0700
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 21:05 -0700
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 21:43 -0700
            Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:55 -0700
      Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 13:51 -0700
        Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 22:54 +0200
          Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-06 13:57 -0700

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