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Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers

From	Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design, sci.physics
Subject	Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Date	2026-04-21 17:11 +0000
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>john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
>>On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
>>>>>>> Your тАЬmagicтА? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
>>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>>> April 18, 2026
>>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>> American Chemical Society
>>>>>>> Summary:
>>>>>>> That тАЬmagicтА? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
>>>>>>> effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
>>>>>>> water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
>>>>>>> potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
>>>>>> without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
>>>>>> eat and breath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As do those from all domestic sources . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
>>>>
>>>> They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
>>>>
>>>>> And to dress in all natural fabrics.
>>>>
>>>> It is an expensive luxury.
>>>>
>>>>> And cook over a wood or dung fire.
>>>>
>>>> They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable
>>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
>>>>
>>>> Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
>>>> surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
>>> 
>>> I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
>>> non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
>>> like corn or canola smoke.
>>> 
>>> We have fan vents over the range too.
>>
>>The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and 
>>not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house 
>>in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker 
>>got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we 
>>spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house 
>>had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the 
>>Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm 
>>house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the 
>>director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she 
>>was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
>
>Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
>dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
>the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
>kill them from the CO.
>
>Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
>see no soot.
>
>Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
>long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
>other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.

We have gas too, for heating.
It used to be here in the ground,.
Digging the gas caused earthquakes that damaged homes and people started crying for compensation.
So most of the gas fields here are now closed
Europe could get cheap gas from Russia via the Northstream2 pipeline
But US CIA clowns like 'lensky blew that pipeline up
so we had to buy US shipped gas.

Important point with gas central heating is that you ALSO need electricity for the system to work, pumps etc.
This house is now equipped with double insulated walls.
You can leave the gas heating off for large parts of the year, still need it for hot water when showering.
Many years ago as a kid we hat an electric hot water tank that always had the right temperature and a big oil tank buried in the garden for heating.
Even longer ago we had coal, even a big coal heater in the classrooms in primary school in Amsterdam.


I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.

On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
 https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/

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Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-18 17:12 +0000
  Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-18 12:32 -0700
    Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-19 06:32 +0000
      Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-19 07:45 -0700
        Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-20 03:49 +1000
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-04-19 20:16 +0200
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-04-19 12:03 -0700
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-04-19 12:47 -0700
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 10:40 -0700
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 05:08 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 20:14 -0700
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-04-19 22:00 -0700
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-04-20 09:26 +0200
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 10:42 -0700
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 10:37 -0700
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-04-20 14:54 -0400
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-04-20 18:00 -0400
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-21 05:57 +0000
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 18:40 +1000
      Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-04-19 15:12 -0400
        Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-19 12:50 -0700
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-04-19 21:40 -0700
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 07:10 -0700
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 03:17 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 10:29 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 04:21 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 12:01 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-21 05:50 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 06:45 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:29 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 10:57 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-22 16:24 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 10:25 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 16:17 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-22 08:12 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 18:53 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-22 12:56 +0100
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 01:13 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-04-24 19:13 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-25 07:29 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-27 12:54 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-28 06:44 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-28 10:38 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-28 21:57 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 15:46 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-05-04 02:34 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-04-21 01:05 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 06:57 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-04-21 10:13 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 10:29 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-22 12:56 +0100
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 07:41 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 02:04 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-04-22 09:50 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 10:21 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-04-22 15:31 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 16:50 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 16:31 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 16:23 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 01:52 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 09:38 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 16:51 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-23 08:24 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-24 03:59 +1000
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-20 06:10 +0000
    Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-04-20 10:03 -0400
      Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 07:18 -0700
        Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-04-28 08:25 -0400
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-28 07:01 -0700
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-29 03:42 +1000
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-28 12:51 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-29 14:58 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-29 08:25 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-30 01:44 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-29 09:45 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-30 23:12 +1000
  Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-04-19 11:04 +0200
  Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-04-20 10:07 -0400
    Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 07:55 -0700
      Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 03:35 +1000
        Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-20 12:07 -0700
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-21 05:35 +0000
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 07:03 -0700
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:19 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 10:42 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-22 07:55 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 08:04 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-23 06:22 +0000
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-21 21:35 +1000
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 07:12 -0700
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:11 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 10:52 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-22 07:21 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 10:13 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-04-23 06:49 +0000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 17:08 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-23 11:14 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-04-23 21:15 +0200
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-23 12:26 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-24 05:18 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-23 12:30 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 02:33 +1000
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-04-22 12:46 -0400
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers KevinJ93 <kevin_es@whitedigs.com> - 2026-04-21 11:06 -0700
                IRe: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-21 17:08 -0700
                Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-22 12:56 +0100
              Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 02:22 +1000
      Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-04-22 08:11 -0400
        Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-22 10:18 -0700
          Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-04-23 17:17 +1000
            Re: Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-04-23 11:23 -0700

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