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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c++ |
| Subject | Re: “Is C++ Dead?” |
| Date | 2026-03-19 12:31 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10phive$101li$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 3/19/2026 2:20 AM, David Brown wrote: > On 18/03/2026 22:24, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >>> On 3/18/2026 1:09 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>> Am 09.03.2026 um 23:36 schrieb Lynn McGuire: >>>> >>>>> If C++ is too complex for a programmer then the programmer is not >>>>> a good programmer. >>>> >>>> I'm a good C++ programmer but I admit that C++ is much less readable >>>> as for example Rust. And both languages server the same purpose. But >>>> I still like C++. >>>> >>>>> The only exception to that is multiple thread software. That stuff >>>>> is dadgum complicated. But the multiple thread software is not used >>>>> very often in my circles. >>>> >>>> Most MT-algoritms are easy (embarassingly parallel). >>> >>> Spinning off threads is easy. Deciding which variables to mutex is not. >> >> As someone with four decades of multitheaded programming experience >> at both the lowest levels (OS) and highest levels (applications), >> I strongly disagree. >> >> It's very easy to determine whether a particular datum is >> subject to concurrent access based on understanding the >> underlying algorithms used. >> > > It can be easy to determine what data needs protected by mutexes, but > not nearly as easy to determine when the mutexes should be locked and > unlocked in sequences that are maximally efficient. If a thread takes a > lock, and is doing two different things with the data, should it release > the lock and re-take it in the middle? Shit man. TRY to never execute a call back into unknown user code while holding a lock. Unless, well, shit. never... ;^) I have had to debug nightmare scenarios! Ouch. Doing so costs time for that > thread, as the release and re-lock is not free. But /not/ doing so > could hinder progress for another thread. Then you have questions about > how fine-grained your mutexes should be, and how to coordinate cases > where you need multiple mutexes. And of course you have the bigger > architectural questions - should the data be shared and locked by a > mutex, or use a message queue, or atomics, or duplicate copies of the > data, or some other sharing and synchronisation solution? > > So yes, determining what data to protect is usually easy. Determining > how best to do that is the fun part. > >
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Re: “Is C++ Dead?” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 13:28 -0700
Re: “Is C++ Dead?” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 16:45 -0500
Re: Re: “Is C++ Dead?” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-18 21:24 +0000
Re: “Is C++ Dead?” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 16:41 -0500
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Re: “Is C++ Dead?” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 00:33 -0500
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Re: “Is C++ Dead?” David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-03-19 10:20 +0100
Re: “Is C++ Dead?” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 12:31 -0700
Re: “Is C++ Dead?” Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-10 13:21 +0000
Re: “Is C++ Dead?” Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-03-12 19:46 +0000
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Re: “Is C++ Dead?” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-15 22:23 +0000
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