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Re: “Is C++ Dead?”

From Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: “Is C++ Dead?”
Date 2026-03-19 00:33 -0500
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On 3/18/2026 9:58 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 3/18/2026 2:41 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/18/2026 4:24 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 3/18/2026 1:09 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>> Am 09.03.2026 um 23:36 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If C++ is too complex for a programmer then the programmer is not
>>>>>> a good programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a good C++ programmer but I admit that C++ is much less readable
>>>>> as for example Rust. And both languages server the same purpose. But
>>>>> I still like C++.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only exception to that is multiple thread software. That stuff
>>>>>> is dadgum complicated. But the multiple thread software is not used
>>>>>> very often in my circles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most MT-algoritms are easy (embarassingly parallel).
>>>>
>>>> Spinning off threads is easy.  Deciding which variables to mutex is 
>>>> not.
>>>
>>> As someone with four decades of multitheaded programming experience
>>> at both the lowest levels (OS) and highest levels (applications),
>>> I strongly disagree.
>>>
>>> It's very easy to determine whether a particular datum is
>>> subject to concurrent access based on understanding the
>>> underlying algorithms used.
>>>
>>>>   Especially in software hundreds of thousands of lines of of C++ long.
>>>>
>>>> My Windows user interface is well over 500,000 lines of C++ code.
>>>
>>> Ah, windows.  Sigh.
>>>
>>> My current project at work is over 3 million lines of C++ code, and
>>> leverages 64 physical cores using over 120 threads (pthreads)
>>> with pretty much 100% utilization across all the cores.
>>
>> Nice !  Good job.
>>
>>> The nice thing about C++ is that if you do it right, all the
>>> locking is almost always encapsulated within a class (e.g.
>>> a class member and associated member functions), which naturally
>>> restricts the scope of the lock to within the class.
>>
>> It is always, "if you do it right".
> 
> If you decide to use threads. Make sure to learn about mutex and condvar 
> first! Then learn about embarrassingly parallel, where no mutex and 
> condvar are "necessarily" needed. Then ponder on lock-free.
> 
> Make sure to never have to use lock-free unless you absolutely have to!
> 
> Fwiw, I used to converse with David Butenhof back on 
> comp.programming.threads. Nice guy, and wrote a nice book to read before 
> you even go into C++ threads, perhaps. Well... ? I remember he was 
> pondering on writing another book, cooking with posix threads.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Programming-POSIX-Threads-David-Butenhof/ 
> dp/0201633922
> 
> :^) Real all of it, then ponder on how C++ is there ready willing and able.

I have four threads in my Windows user interface to make the startup 
faster.  But the variables do not cross the thread boundaries.

I have a copy of "C++ Concurrency in Action: Practical Multithreading" 
First Edition by Anthony Williams.  I have yet to read it though.
  
https://www.amazon.com/C-Concurrency-Action-Practical-Multithreading/dp/1933988770/

Lynn

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                Re: “Is C++ Dead?” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 12:26 -0700
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