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Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

From Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.internet.wireless
Subject Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database
Date 2025-12-28 10:54 -0700
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Andy Burns wrote:
>> If you have a free unused/old router or access point, you could set it 
>> up with a hidden _nomap SSID, and without connecting any of your phones 
>> to it, wait to see if the BSSID appears listed after a month or two. It 
>> would be interesting to check every day with a script, to see how fast 
>> they update.
> 
> Ask some friends who use iPhones to come round for a coffee, the more 
> devices hoovering up data the better?  They may only add BSSIDs to the 
> DB if they've seen them via multiple devices.

Hi Andy,

I respect you so I am explaining that I'm taking your suggestion to heart.
Yet we don't need any Apple devices to run this test, it's that easy to do.

Jan 1st I'm putting 3 old routers (which you may recognize) in Palo Alto.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/44WKMKpJ/apple-wps-testing.jpg>

  1. Normal SSID
  2. _nomap SSID
  3. _nomap SSID + hidden broadcast frames

I have a friend in Palo Alto who is willing to host these three routers for
about a month, starting on January 1st, 2026. Then we will move the three
routers to Cupertino on February 1st to simulate moving to a new flat.
 From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
 Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
 Subject: Help!  How do we get Apple to care about privacy for entities who own access points?
 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2025 23:42:17 -0700
 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com)
 Message-ID: <10ig209$29kr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

I already know EXACTLY what will happen, but this is simply the test
results that I will show to Apple when the time comes to show it to them.

Given virtually every router in the world has the HIDDEN broadcast frame
feature, we can assume hundreds of millions of people use that feature.

Apple does not intend to honor their own published privacy policy, so the
routers with that feature will be included in the public Apple WPS
database, which is expressly against the wishes of the people who do that.

What Apple "is doing" is the antithesis of what Apple "says" they will do.

To me, that's morally, ethically & legally reprehensible for Apple to do
that, and Apple can't say they're unaware because I know they're aware.
-- 
It used to be Apple only told the truth in court, but with Judge Gonzalez' 
case with Apple execs, it may be Apple doen't even tell the truth in court.

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How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 05:08 -0700
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-05 12:17 +0000
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 06:28 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 17:42 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:16 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 02:02 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 17:25 -0800
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 18:53 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:02 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:43 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 01:17 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 07:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:19 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 14:37 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-28 10:54 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 14:43 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 12:06 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-06 15:07 -0800
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:32 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:50 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 21:19 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:26 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:54 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:37 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 19:13 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:00 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 16:44 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:16 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 00:29 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-08 13:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:31 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 20:05 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 13:36 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 10:13 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 20:51 +0000
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 22:38 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 23:53 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 10:23 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 09:29 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:05 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 14:02 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:14 -0700
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:53 +0100
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:27 -0700
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 20:37 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 09:16 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 06:46 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:05 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-08 06:50 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:37 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:24 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-10 19:10 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 19:30 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:30 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 07:20 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 19:21 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 19:37 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:35 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-11 14:40 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:31 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:45 +0100
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 02:41 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 02:50 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 03:27 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-06 18:07 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 20:51 +0000
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 01:04 -0700
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 10:39 -0800
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 11:11 -0800
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 19:59 +0000
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 00:08 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:24 -0700
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-06 22:51 +0000
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 01:25 -0700
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:11 +0100
          Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0100
            Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 01:34 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 08:13 +0000
              Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-28 17:14 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-28 20:55 -0800
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-29 15:12 +0000
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-29 15:04 -0700
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:52 -0600
                Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:45 -0600
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 21:17 +0100
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-12-05 22:17 +0000
        Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:04 -0700
      Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 21:13 +0100
  Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:55 -0700
    Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:01 +0100

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