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Wake-up call until everybody gets ear-bleeding (Re: What is analog computing nowadays?)

From Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, comp.lang.prolog
Subject Wake-up call until everybody gets ear-bleeding (Re: What is analog computing nowadays?)
Date 2025-12-01 12:01 +0100
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References <10ghds1$tg19$2@solani.org> <10gheso$tgp1$2@solani.org> <10gjqeu$t54i$2@solani.org>

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Hi,

I am doing the wake-up call until everybody
gets ear-bleeding. It just too cringe to
see the symbolics computing morons struggle

with connectionism. But given that humans
have a brain with neurons, it should be obvious
that symbolism and connectionism are just two

sides of the same coin.

Good Luck!

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> 1) Classical computing = Boolean logic + von Neumann architecture
> 
> For decades, all mainstream computation was built on:
> Boolean algebra
> Logic gates
> Scalar operations executed sequentially
> Memory and compute as separate blocks
> Even floating-point arithmetic was implemented on top of Boolean logic.
> 
> This shaped how programmers think — algorithms expressed
> as symbolic operations, control flow, and discrete steps.
> 
> 2) AI accelerators break from that model
> 
> Modern accelerators — GPUs, TPUs, NPUs, and custom matrix
> engines — use a different computational substrate:
> 
> Instead of Boolean logic:
> → Bulk linear algebra over vectors/tensors
> 
> Instead of instruction-by-instruction control:
> → Dataflow graphs
> 
> Instead of sequential compute on registers:
> → Massively parallel fused-multiply-add units
> 
> Instead of manually orchestrated loops:
> → High-level declarative specs (XLA, MLIR, TVM)
> 
> Have Fun!
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Wonder why the Coq proof even should be
>> different from anything that AI could produce.
>> Its not a typical Euclid proof in a few steps,
>>
>> it rather uses also enumeration, just like the
>> Fly Speck proof, for the Keppler Conjecture. So
>> lets see what happens next, could AlphaEvolve
>>
>> find the sixth busy beaver?
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> P.S.: Here picture of an old Busy Beaver ASIC
>> (Application-Specific Integrated Circuit)
>>
>> Application    Fun
>> Technology    1500
>> Manufacturer    VLSI Tech
>> Type    Semester Thesis
>> Package    DIP64
>> Dimensions    3200μm x 3200μm
>> Gates    2 kGE
>> Voltage    5 V
>> Clock    20 MHz
>>
>> The Busy Beaver Coprocessor has been designed to solve the Busy Beaver 
>> Function for 5 states. This function (also known as the Rado's Sigma 
>> Function) is an uncomputable problem from information theory. The 
>> input argument is a natural number 'n' that represents the complexity 
>> of an algorithm described as a Turing Machine.
>> http://asic.ethz.ch/cg/1990/Busy_Beaver.html
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What we thought:
>>>
>>> Prediction 5 . It will never be proved that
>>> Σ(5) = 4,098 and S(5) = 47,176,870.
>>> -- Allen H. Brady, 1990  .
>>>
>>> How it started:
>>>
>>> To investigate AlphaEvolve’s breadth, we applied
>>> the system to over 50 open problems in mathematical
>>> analysis, geometry, combinatorics and number theory.
>>> The system’s flexibility enabled us to set up most
>>> experiments in a matter of hours. In roughly 75% of
>>> cases, it rediscovered state-of-the-art solutions, to
>>> the best of our knowledge.
>>> https://deepmind.google/blog/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-coding-agent-for-designing-advanced-algorithms/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> How its going:
>>>
>>> We prove that S(5) = 47, 176, 870 using the Coq proof
>>> assistant. The Busy Beaver value S(n) is the maximum
>>> number of steps that an n-state 2-symbol Turing machine
>>> can perform from the all-zero tape before halting, and
>>> S was historically introduced by Tibor Radó in 1962 as
>>> one of the simplest examples of an uncomputable function.
>>> The proof enumerates 181,385,789 Turing machines with 5
>>> states and, for each machine, decides whether it halts or
>>> not. Our result marks the first determination of a new
>>> Busy Beaver value in over 40 years and the first Busy
>>> Beaver value ever to be formally verified, attesting to the
>>> effectiveness of massively collaborative online research
>>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2509.12337
>>>
>>> They claim not having used much AI. But could for
>>> example AlphaEvolve do it somehow nevertheless, more or
>>> less autonomously, and find the sixth busy beaver?
>>>
>>> Bye
>>
>

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Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-30 13:38 +0100
  An old Busy Beaver ASIC (Application-Specific Integrated Circuit) (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-30 13:54 +0100
  An old Busy Beaver ASIC (Application-Specific Integrated Circuit) (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-30 13:55 +0100
    What is analog computing nowadays? (Re: An old Busy Beaver ASIC (Application-Specific Integrated Circuit) (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 11:25 +0100
      Wake-up call until everybody gets ear-bleeding (Re: What is analog computing nowadays?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 12:01 +0100
        BB(745) is independent of ZFC (Was: Wake-up call until everybody gets ear-bleeding) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 12:07 +0100
          Write ZFC formulas on a tape (of a Turing machine) (Re: BB(745) is independent of ZFC ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 17:18 +0100
            Turing machines have neurons (Re: Write ZFC formulas on a tape (of a Turing machine)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 17:19 +0100
              A logical calculus in nervous activity [McCulloch & Pitts 1943] (Re: Turing machines have neurons) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 17:20 +0100
                Busy Beaver and Theory Consistency (Was: A logical calculus in nervous activity [McCulloch & Pitts 1943]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 17:39 +0100
                Busy Beaver and Theory Consistency (Was: A logical calculus in nervous activity [McCulloch & Pitts 1943]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 17:43 +0100
                Re: Busy Beaver and Theory Consistency (Was: A logical calculus in nervous activity [McCulloch & Pitts 1943]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 23:18 +0100
      Re: What is analog computing nowadays? (Re: An old Busy Beaver ASIC (Application-Specific Integrated Circuit) (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-12-01 12:09 +0100
        parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM (Was: What is analog computing nowadays?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 12:15 +0100
          Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM (Was: What is analog computing nowadays?) Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-12-01 13:23 +0100
            Nope, you can't, because of the CRCW instuction (Was: parallel random-access machine) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 17:12 +0100
              Algorithm introduced in Hogwild! SGD (Niu et al., 2011) (Was: Nope, you can't, because of the CRCW instuction) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 17:31 +0100
                PRAMs might be closer to physics: Boltzman machines, etc.. (Was: Algorithm introduced in Hogwild! SGD) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 18:02 +0100
              Re: Nope, you can't, because of the CRCW instuction (Was: parallel random-access machine) Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-12-01 17:59 +0100
                PRAMs might be closer to physics: Boltzman machines, etc.. (Re: Nope, you can't, because of the CRCW instuction) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 18:05 +0100
                PRAMs might be closer to physics: Boltzman machines, etc.. (Re: Nope, you can't, because of the CRCW instuction) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 18:08 +0100
                Physics more difficult than Rasperry LED cube? (Was: PRAMs might be closer to physics: Boltzman machines, etc..) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-01 18:25 +0100
            Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM (Was: What is analog computing nowadays?) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-03 07:17 +0100
              Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM (Was: What is  analog computing nowadays?) Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-12-03 06:46 +0000
              Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-03 08:02 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-04 07:50 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-04 09:57 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-06 17:02 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:22 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:39 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:46 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:42 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-07 16:26 +0200
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-08 04:25 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-08 08:51 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-08 13:58 +0200
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-09 09:15 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:06 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-09 09:19 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-09 11:43 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-10 08:19 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-10 09:56 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-10 10:01 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-11 09:02 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-11 08:48 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-12 01:58 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-11 20:45 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-11 23:07 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-12 00:49 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-14 14:27 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 10:25 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-14 21:22 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 12:52 -0800
                I have a great idea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 13:11 -0800
                Einstein refrigerator (was: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-15 03:00 +0100
                Re: Einstein refrigerator (was: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 19:46 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 10:27 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 10:58 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-15 07:50 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-15 14:05 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-16 08:44 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-16 22:58 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-17 08:50 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-17 14:00 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-17 10:49 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-17 11:23 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-17 14:24 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-18 22:13 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-19 12:02 -0800
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-17 18:24 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2025-12-17 11:58 -0600
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-12-12 07:19 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-12-12 11:35 +0100
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-18 06:49 +0000
                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-06 05:30 +0100
  Re: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-11-30 14:06 +0100
    You shouldn't use NPM hacked services (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-30 22:27 +0100
      Its a subconscious hypothesis (Was: You shouldn't use NPM hacked services) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-30 22:33 +0100
        What if of the cosmos does a BB dance? (Was: Its a subconscious hypothesis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-30 22:43 +0100
          Re: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance? (Was: Its a subconscious hypothesis) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-01 23:43 +0100
          Re: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-01 23:45 +0100
            newsreader where you can see the message source (Was: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 00:00 +0100
              Re: newsreader where you can see the message source (Was: What if of the  cosmos does a BB dance?) Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-12-02 03:10 +0000
                Re: newsreader where you can see the message source (Was: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 11:51 +0100
                Re: newsreader where you can see the message source (Was: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-02 20:36 +0100
                Re: newsreader where you can see the message source (Was: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance?) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-01 21:42 -0800
                Orbits of planets in the Sol System (was: newsreader where you can see the message source) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-04 03:29 +0100
                Orbits of planets in the Sol System Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-04 03:30 +0100
              Re: newsreader where you can see the message source (Was: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-02 20:35 +0100
                Spock thinks I am interested in his gibberish (Re: newsreader where you can see the message source) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 23:22 +0100
                Is it like "Wirres Mückengelaber" ? (Was: Spock thinks I am interested in his gibberish) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 23:28 +0100
            newsreader where you can see the message source (Re: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 00:11 +0100
            Re: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-03 07:22 +0100
              Re: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-03 08:27 -0800
                Re: What if of the cosmos does a BB dance? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-04 07:57 +0100
        Re: Its a subconscious hypothesis (Was: You shouldn't use NPM hacked services) Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-11-30 23:14 +0100
      Re: You shouldn't use NPM hacked services (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-01 23:23 +0100
        Re: You shouldn't use NPM hacked services (Was: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-02 00:05 +0100
          Re: You shouldn't use NPM hacked services Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-02 20:29 +0100
    What Spock aka Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn missed (Was: Different Hubble Theories: de Sitter Energy) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-03 01:09 +0100
  The size of a Gödel sentence G (Re: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-03 09:00 +0100
  The size of a Gödel sentence G (Re: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-03 09:00 +0100
    Attacking the Busy Beaver 5 [1989] (Re: The size of a Gödel sentence G) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-12-03 09:10 +0100
  Re: Could AlphaEvolve find the sixth busy beaver ? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:59 +0800

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