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The SWI7 exotism (dicts, etc..) has no value? (Was: The Guerilla tactics of SWI are amazing: Shell India?)

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Hi,

There was this caboom when SWI7 introduced
dicts. But at the same time Markus Triska (Side B)
stopped contributing to SWI (Side A) ?

Side A now stands at a precarious crossroads,
its future hinging on innovations whose success
is far from guaranteed. The irony is striking:
the very battle consuming its attention is fought

over familiar, time-tested techniques,
while the exotic approaches that once promised
differentiation remain unproven. Compounding
the dilemma, one of Side A’s original core

developers—who helped shape its early trajectory—
is now contributing to Side B’s efforts,
carrying insight and experience that subtly
tilt the balance. The technical debt that

arose from earlier choices to diverge from
standard practices or established collaborations
is still manageable, yet it lingers like a
quiet undercurrent, shaping both strategy

and execution. This is a story of ambition and
ingenuity, but also of hubris: of how the
pursuit of the novel and exotic can, paradoxically,
leave an organization vulnerable, even as it bets

on a future that may or may not arrive.
- ChatGPT, 24.11.2025

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Pitty SWI cannot throw Markus Triska out of
> their discourse forum or out of the awful
> PIP forum also on discourse. He is not present there.
> 
> I am pretty sure they would do it if they
> could, they are so desparate. The newest
> gimmick in their fight is this pearl of warfare:
> 
> Our prototype has been implemented in SWI Prolog,
> and we have already tested this early-stage system
> with potential clients such as Siemens China and
> Shell India. Comparison between Prolog systems as
> input for the upcoming conference
> https://github.com/mthom/scryer-prolog/discussions/3150
> 
> LoL, nice try Dutchies. But who believes this
> inbreed nonsense. Why not compare with some
> industrial strength C++ constraint solver?
> 
> And what does Shell India even mean? Historically
> it has its roots indeed with the Dutchies:
> 
> formerly known as "the Royal Dutch Company for
> the Exploitation of Petroleum Wells in
> the Dutch East Indies"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_plc
> 
> But I suspect its an international company
> with head quarters in London. According to
> MarketScreener, about 52.95% of Shell is
> held by “Institutional” investors.
> 
> Geographical Distribution (by Country) of
> Major Shareholders. Based on MarketScreener’s
> breakdown of the top ~1,000 shareholders:
> 
> United States    ~23.6%
> United Kingdom    ~17.5%
> Norway    ~3.28%
> Switzerland    ~1.56%
> Canada    ~1.46%
> Germany    ~1.06%
> 
> According to MarketScreener’s breakdown of
> Shell’s top ~1,000 shareholders, India is
> not listed explicitly in their “geographical
> origin of shareholders” chart.
> 
> MarketScreener reports that ~44–45% of
> Shell’s shares (within their top-1,000-holder
> data set) are “Unknown” — meaning they can’t
> clearly map them to a specific
> institution or geography.
> 
> Because of that, even if some Indian investors
> hold Shell shares, they may be lumped into
> the “unknown” category if they aren’t among
> the largest disclosed institutional holders,
> or if their holdings are registered through
> nominee accounts / omnibus custodians.
> 
> Bye
> 
> P.S.: Just be happy to get called Dutchies:
> 
> "Be happy they call you Dutchies, usually
> we Easter Europeans get called Alocoholics
> or thieves around these regions lol"
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Netherlands/comments/1ehqy3a/calling_us_dutch_people_dutchies/ 
> 
> 
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Who will win the new Prolog race?
>> SWI or Scryer? Is it enough that SWI-Prolog
>> has teamed up with Ciao Prolog?
>>
>> What about resources that really can
>> code a Prolog systems. SWI-Prolog is
>> now doomed to have professional moron
>>
>> Julio Di Egidio on board. Not sure whether
>> he will ever become a heavy committer to
>> SWI-Prolog source. But who knows, we should
>>
>> also give Julio Di Egidio a chance. My
>> gut feeling at the moment:
>>
>> - SWI-Prolog:
>>    Pull Requests 10 Open / 560 Closed
>>
>> - Scryer Prolog:
>>    Pull Requests 40 Open / 751 Closed
>>
>> In the past I would measure active committers.
>> But the new "liveness" indicator of a Prolog
>> system could be indeed Pull Requests.
>>
>> So who will win?
>>
>> P.S.: Data sources:
>>
>> https://github.com/mthom/scryer-prolog/pulls
>>
>> https://github.com/SWI-Prolog/swipl-devel/pulls
>>
> 

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