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Re: New and improved version of cdecl

From bart <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: New and improved version of cdecl
Date 2025-10-30 17:40 +0000
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On 30/10/2025 16:22, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> On 30/10/2025 14:13, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) writes:
>>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/10/2025 23:04, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/10/2025 22:21, bart wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW 68Kloc would be CDECL; and 78Kloc is A68G. The CDECL timings are:
>>>>>
>>>>>     root@DESKTOP-11:/mnt/c/Users/44775/Downloads/cdecl-18.5# time make
>>>>>> output
>>>>>     <warnings>
>>>>>     real    0m49.512s
>>>>>     user    0m19.033s
>>>>>     sys     0m3.911s
>>>>
>>>> Those numbers indicate that there is something wrong with your
>>>> machine.  Sum of second and third line above give CPU time.
>>>> Real time is twice as large, so something is slowing down things.
>>>> One possible trouble is having too small RAM, then OS is swaping
>>>> data to/from disc.  Some programs do a lot of random I/O, that
>>>> can be slow on spinning disc, but SSD-s usually are much
>>>> faster at random I/O.
>>>>
>>>> Assuming that you have enough RAM you should try at least using
>>>> 'make -j 3', that is allow make to use up to 3 jobs.  I wrote
>>>> at least, because AFAIK cheapest PC CPU-s of reasonable age
>>>> have at least 2 cores, so to fully utilize the machine you
>>>> need at least 2 jobs.  3 is better, because some jobs may wait
>>>> for I/O.
>>>>
>>>> FYI, reasonably typical report for normal make (without -j
>>>> option) on my machine is:
>>>>
>>>> real	0m4.981s
>>>> user	0m3.712s
>>>> sys	0m0.963s
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just for grins, here's a report for a full rebuild of a real-world project
>>> that I build regularly.  Granted most builds are partial (e.g. one or
>>> two source files touched) and take far less time (15 seconds or so,
>>> most of which is make calling stat(2) on a few hundred source files
>>> on an NFS filesystem).  Close to three million SLOC, mostly in header
>>> files. C++.
>>
>>
>> What is the total size of the produced binaries?
> 
> There are 181 shared objects (DLL in windows speak) and
> six binaries produced by the build.   The binaries are all quite small since
> they dynamically link at runtime with the necessary
> shared objects, the set of which can vary from run-to-run.
> 
> The largest shared object is 7.5MB.
> 
>     text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
> 6902921  109640 1861744 8874305  876941 lib/libXXX.so
> 
> 
>> That will me an idea of
>> the true LoC for the project.
> 
> There is really no relationship between SLoC and binary size.

Yes, there is: a rule of thumb for x64 is 10 bytes of code for line of C 
source. But disproportional use of header files may affect that.


> There are about 16 million SLOC (it's been a while since I
> last run sloccount against this codebase).
> 
> $ sloccount .
> Totals grouped by language (dominant language first):
> ansic:     11905053 (72.22%)
> python:     2506984 (15.21%)
> cpp:        1922112 (11.66%)
> tcl:          87725 (0.53%)
> asm:          42745 (0.26%)
> sh:           14333 (0.09%)
> 
> Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC)                = 16,484,351
> Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 5,357.42 (64,289.00)
>   (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05))
> Schedule Estimate, Years (Months)                         = 13.99 (167.89)
>   (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38))
> Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule)  = 382.92
> Total Estimated Cost to Develop                           = $ 723,714,160
>   (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40).
> 
> The bulk of the ANSI C code are header files generated from
> YAML, likewise most of the python code (used for unit testing).
> The primary functionality is in the C++ (cpp) code.
> The application is highly multithreaded (circa 100 threads in
> an average run).
> 
>>
>> How many source files (can include headers) does it involve? How many
>> binaries does it actually produce?
>>
>>> $ time make -s -j96
>>> real    9m10.38s
>>> user    3h50m15.59s
>>> sys     9m58.20s
>>>
>>> I'd challenge Bart to match that with a similarly sized project using
>>> his compiler and toolset, but I seriously doubt that this project could
>>> be effectively implemented using his personal language and toolset.
>>
>> If what you are asking is how my toolset can cope with a project on this
>> scale, then I can have a go at emulating it, given the information above.
>>
>> I can tell you that over 4 hours, and working at generating 3-5MB per
>> second, my compiler could produce 40-70GB of binary code in that time,
> 
> That's a completely irrelevent metric.
> 

For me it is entirely relevant, as the tools I use are linear. If my car 
averages 60mph, then after 4 hours I expect to do 240 miles.

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  Re: New and improved version of cdecl Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:19 -0300
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-23 02:42 +0100
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 03:04 +0000
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-23 15:05 +0100
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-23 11:36 +0100
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 07:59 -0300
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 16:04 -0700
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 01:44 +0100
          Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:00 -0700
            Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 14:27 +0100
              Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-24 19:35 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 19:50 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-24 18:59 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 13:20 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 23:18 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-26 07:25 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 11:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 13:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-26 16:07 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 17:03 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-26 16:04 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 16:58 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-26 17:27 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-26 22:49 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-26 23:07 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 18:01 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-29 20:33 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 23:29 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 16:07 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 03:08 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 12:50 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 12:58 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 14:45 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 14:48 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 15:23 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-27 22:39 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 03:00 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-28 15:59 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-28 16:05 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-28 20:00 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-28 18:28 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-28 20:49 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-29 21:30 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 20:32 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 20:14 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-29 16:36 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 17:24 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 14:39 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 15:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 03:35 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 11:16 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 14:59 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 18:48 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 19:24 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:10 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 23:19 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:03 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 09:02 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:06 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 11:20 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-29 17:12 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 21:21 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 00:04 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 16:47 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 00:36 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-30 03:37 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 21:24 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-30 04:52 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-30 05:38 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:45 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-30 16:41 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-30 16:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 17:30 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-30 18:29 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 18:37 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 13:21 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:44 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:49 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 12:50 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 00:27 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 17:35 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 14:13 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 14:32 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 16:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 17:40 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 12:39 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 13:57 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 14:55 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 17:18 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 17:52 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-30 05:00 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 11:15 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 12:07 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 16:04 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-30 18:30 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 17:49 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-30 18:59 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 23:23 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 16:44 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 00:15 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 18:16 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 01:36 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 19:13 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 13:43 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-31 13:10 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 16:34 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 23:01 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 00:28 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 01:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-31 10:29 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-31 13:15 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 21:39 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-31 11:43 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 22:47 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-31 13:16 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 23:40 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 17:14 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-31 09:31 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-30 23:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 23:49 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 02:14 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 22:01 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-01 11:57 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-01 14:56 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 13:37 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 23:37 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-31 11:52 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 13:48 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 23:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-29 06:57 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-29 14:17 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 14:40 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-29 16:09 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 16:47 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-30 05:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 12:56 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-10-28 17:34 -0400
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 04:37 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:31 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-27 20:52 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 17:30 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 19:11 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 19:59 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 23:45 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 10:27 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 01:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 17:03 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 22:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 00:04 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-26 13:15 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 14:56 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-27 00:34 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 15:45 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-27 01:12 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 16:15 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-28 14:56 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 13:18 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-28 15:03 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 16:16 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 13:04 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-25 13:51 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 17:18 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-26 07:44 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 15:12 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-27 10:44 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 11:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-27 17:35 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 17:44 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 04:10 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 23:47 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-27 22:33 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 04:23 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:48 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 04:41 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-10-25 11:40 -0400
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-25 16:48 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 19:14 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 15:14 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-26 08:07 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-24 21:36 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 13:07 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 13:15 +0200
              Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 13:01 -0700
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 15:01 -0700
  Re: New and improved version of cdecl Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2025-10-26 12:09 -0700
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 15:36 -0700
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Paul J. Lucas" <paul@lucasmail.org> - 2025-12-09 07:31 -0800
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2025-12-09 20:38 +0000
          Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Paul J. Lucas" <paul@lucasmail.org> - 2025-12-09 16:46 -0800
            Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-12-09 17:51 -0800
  Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 14:44 -0700
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 15:38 -0700
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 11:51 -0700

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