Re: New and improved version of cdecl

From	Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
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Subject	Re: New and improved version of cdecl
Date	2025-10-29 06:57 +0100
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On 28.10.2025 12:16, bart wrote:
> On 28/10/2025 02:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> On 27.10.2025 16:11, bart wrote:
> 
>> That's meaningless, but if you're interested to know...
>> Mostly (including my professional work) I've probably used C++.
>> But also other languages, depending on either projects' requirements
>> or, where there was a choice, what appeared to be fitting best (and
>> "best" sadly includes also bad languages if there's no alternative).
> 
> Which bad languages are these?

Are you hunting for a language war discussion? - I won't start it here.
If you want, please start an appropriate topic in comp.lang.misc or so.

> [...]
> 
> That CDECL took, what, 49 seconds on my machine, to process 68Kloc of C?
> That's a whopping 1400 lines per second!
> 
> If we go back 45 years to machines that were 1000 times slower,

We are not in these days any more. Nowadays there's much more complex
software; some inherently bad designed software, and in other cases
they might not care about tweaking the last second out of a process
(for various reasons). So this comparison isn't really contributing
anything here.

> the same
> process would only manage 1.4 lines per second, and it would take 13
> HOURS, to create an interactive program that explained what 'int
> (*(*(*)))[]()' (whatever it was) might mean.

If that's the sole task of the program the speed is not very appealing.
But I had not looked into the code, the algorithms implemented, or the
features it supports. Criticism may be justified, maybe not.

But you're creating a tool just once, and then use it arbitrary times.
This is as a user of the tool. So why you care so much is beyond me.
As a developer of the tool the used algorithms and the build process
is under your control.

> 
> So, yeah, build-time is a problem, even on the ultra-fast hardware we
> have now.

What problem? - That you don't want to wait a few seconds? - Or that
you cannot use that tool when time-traveling "back 45 years"?

> 
> Bear in mind that CDECL (like every finished product you build from
> source) is a working, debugged program. You shouldn't need to do that
> much analysis of it. And here, its performance is not critical either:
> you don't even need fast code from it.

(Erm.. - so after the rant you're now agreeing?)

> 
>> (I recall you were unfamiliar with make
>> files, or am I misremembering?)
> 
> I know makefiles. Never used them, never will.

(Do what you prefer. - After all you're not cooperating with others in
your personal projects, as I understood, so there's no need to "learn"
[or just use!] things you don't like. If you think it's a good idea to
spend time in writing own code for already solved tasks, I'm fine with
that.)

> You might recall that I create my own solutions.

I don't recall, to be honest. But let's rather say; I'm not astonished
that you have "created your own solutions". (Where other folks would
just use an already existing, flexibly and simply usable, working and
supported solution.) - So that's your problem not anyone else's.

> 
>>>
>>> Now imagine further if the CPython interpreter was inself written and
>>> executed with CPython.
>>>
>>> So, the 'speed' of a language (ie. of its typical implementation, which
>>> also depends on the language design) does matter.
>>>
>>> If speed wasn't an issue then we'd all be using easy dynamic languages
>>
>> Huh? - Certainly not.
> 
> *I* would! That's why I made my scripting languages as fast and capable
> as possible, so they could be used for more tasks.

Sure, you would. Obviously. - You've never been the widely accepted
standard source for sensible general purpose solutions, though.

> 
> However, if I dare to suggest that even one other person in the world
> might also have the same desire, you'd say that I can't possibly know that.

You had presented your statement as if there'd be a pressing logical
decision route. It is not.

> 
> And yet here you are: you say 'certainly not'. Obviously *you* know
> everyone else's mindset!

No. I neither said nor implied that. (I suggest to re-read what you
said and what I wrote.)

> 
>> Speed is a topic, but as I wrote you have to put it in context
> 
> Actually, the real topic is slowness. I'm constantly coming across
> things which I know (from half a century working with computers) are far
> slower than they ought to be.

Fair enough.

> 
> But I'm also coming across people who seem to accept that slowness as
> just how things are. They should question things more!

I also think that there a not few people that accept inferior quality;
how else could the success of, say, DOS, Windows, and off-the-shelf
MS office software, be explained. Or some persistent deficiencies in
some GNU/Linux tools and runtime system. Or services presented per Web
interface.

Speed is one factor. (I said that before.)

> 
>> I can't tell about the "many" that you have in mind, and about their
>> mindset; I'm sure you either can't tell.
> 
> I'm pretty sure there are quite a few million users of scripting languages.

This is of no doubt, I'd say.

What was arguable was the made-up _decision step_ concerning speed
and "scripting languages".

> 
>>
>> I'm using for very specific types of tasks "scripting languages" -
>> and keep in mind that there's no clean definition of that! 
> 
> They have typical characteristics as I'm quite sure you're aware. For
> example:

Yes, you're right, since I mentioned them I'm aware of them. But they
are not serving a clear definition of "scripting languages"; they are
basically just hints.

> 
> * Dynamic typing

Marcel van der Veer is advertising Genie (his Algol 68 interpreter) as
a system usable for scripting. (With no dynamic but static typing.)

> * Run from source

How about JIT, how about intermediate languages?

> * Instant edit-run cycle
> * Possible REPL

> * Uncluttered syntax

Have a look at the syntax of (e.g.) the Unix shell "scripting language".

> * Higher level features

Not a distinguished characteristic of scripting languages.

> * Extensive libraries so that you can quickly 'script' most tasks

Awk (for example) is a stand-alone scripting language.

> 
> So, interactivity and spontaneity. But they also have cons:
> 
> * Slower execution

Yes, but they can be rather fast (with intermediate code (GNU Awk),
precompiled language elements (Genie), or other means). It very much
depends on the languages, on "both types" of languages.

> * Little compile-time error checking

(We already commented in your above point "Dynamic typing".)

> * Less control (of data structures for example)

Not sure what you mean (control constructs, more data structures).
But have a look into Unix shells for control constructs, and into
Kornshell specifically for data structures.

It's a very inhomogeneous area. Impossible to clearly classify.

Janis

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New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:39 -0700
  Re: New and improved version of cdecl Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:19 -0300
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-23 02:42 +0100
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 03:04 +0000
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-23 15:05 +0100
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-23 11:36 +0100
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 07:59 -0300
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 16:04 -0700
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 01:44 +0100
          Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:00 -0700
            Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 14:27 +0100
              Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-24 19:35 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 19:50 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-24 18:59 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 13:20 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-24 23:18 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-26 07:25 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 11:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 13:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-26 16:07 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 17:03 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-26 16:04 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 16:58 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-26 17:27 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-26 22:49 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-26 23:07 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 18:01 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-29 20:33 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 23:29 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 16:07 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 03:08 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 12:50 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 12:58 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 14:45 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 14:48 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 15:23 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-27 22:39 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 03:00 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-28 15:59 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-28 16:05 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-28 20:00 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-28 18:28 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-28 20:49 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-29 21:30 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 20:32 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 20:14 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-29 16:36 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 17:24 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-27 14:39 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 15:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 03:35 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 11:16 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 14:59 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 18:48 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 19:24 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:10 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 23:19 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 18:03 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 09:02 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:06 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 11:20 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-29 17:12 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 21:21 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 00:04 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 16:47 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 00:36 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-30 03:37 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 21:24 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-30 04:52 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-30 05:38 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:45 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-30 16:41 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-30 16:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 17:30 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-30 18:29 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 18:37 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 13:21 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:44 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:49 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 12:50 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 00:27 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 17:35 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 14:13 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 14:32 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-30 16:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 17:40 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 12:39 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 13:57 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 14:55 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 17:18 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 17:52 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-30 05:00 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 11:15 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 12:07 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 16:04 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-30 18:30 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 17:49 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-30 18:59 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 23:23 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 16:44 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 00:15 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 18:16 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 01:36 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 19:13 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 13:43 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-31 13:10 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 16:34 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 23:01 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 00:28 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 01:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-31 10:29 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-31 13:15 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 21:39 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-31 11:43 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 22:47 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-31 13:16 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 23:40 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 17:14 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-31 09:31 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-30 23:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 23:49 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-31 02:14 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 22:01 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-01 11:57 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-01 14:56 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 13:37 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-30 23:37 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-31 11:52 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-31 13:48 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 23:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-29 06:57 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-29 14:17 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 14:40 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2025-10-29 16:09 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-29 16:47 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-30 05:11 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-30 12:56 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-10-28 17:34 -0400
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-31 04:37 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:31 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-27 20:52 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 17:30 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 19:11 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 19:59 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 23:45 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 10:27 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 01:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 17:03 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 22:26 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 00:04 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-26 13:15 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 14:56 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-27 00:34 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 15:45 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-27 01:12 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 16:15 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-28 14:56 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 13:18 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-10-28 15:03 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-28 16:16 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 13:04 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-25 13:51 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 17:18 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-26 07:44 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-26 15:12 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-27 10:44 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 11:22 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-27 17:35 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-27 17:44 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 04:10 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 23:47 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-10-27 22:33 +0000
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 04:23 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:48 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-28 04:41 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-10-25 11:40 -0400
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-10-25 16:48 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 19:14 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 15:14 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-26 08:07 +0100
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-10-24 21:36 +0200
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 13:07 -0700
                Re: New and improved version of cdecl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-10-25 13:15 +0200
              Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 13:01 -0700
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 15:01 -0700
  Re: New and improved version of cdecl Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2025-10-26 12:09 -0700
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 15:36 -0700
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Paul J. Lucas" <paul@lucasmail.org> - 2025-12-09 07:31 -0800
        Re: New and improved version of cdecl Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2025-12-09 20:38 +0000
          Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Paul J. Lucas" <paul@lucasmail.org> - 2025-12-09 16:46 -0800
            Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-12-09 17:51 -0800
  Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 14:44 -0700
    Re: New and improved version of cdecl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 15:38 -0700
      Re: New and improved version of cdecl "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 11:51 -0700

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