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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.microsoft.windows, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] |
| Date | 2025-10-16 03:35 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10cq78k$80tk$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On Thu, 10/16/2025 2:58 AM, Marion wrote:
> Alan K. wrote:
>>> This has been discussed here for months, with solution posted and
>>> discussed -- "here" meaning in the Windows 10 group, not the
>>> irrelevant one and the nonexistent one you crossposted to. I don't
>>> fault you for waiting till past the last minute, but you're supposed
>>> to check in a newsgroup _before_ you post, to see if your question
>>> has already been answered.
>
> I'm all about adding value... that is saved forever... for others... so...
> to make sure what Stan thinks isn't what everyone else thinks, I add...
>
> Just to be clear. the newsgroups alt.comp.microsoft.windows has existed
> forever, so, if I were to be cheeky, I'd suggest Stan look first. :)
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>
> But I don't fault Stan for not knowing that alt.comp.microsoft.windows
> exists, as a lot of people aren't aware of all the Windows-related ngs.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>
> But I mention it here BECAUSE everyone on these newsgroups should know.
> https://i2pn2.pugleaf.net/groups/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>
> In fact, for years, Google wouldn't archive the Windows 10 newsgroup.
> When I finally discussed that fact with the relevant folks in Palo Alto
> about that, which is no small feat mind you, they said that the only
> official Windows newsgroup was, in fact, alt.comp.microsoft.windows
> <https://newsgrouper.org/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>
> So I think it's kind'a funny that people think it doesn't exist.
> Nonetheless, I do agree that most people post to the version-specific ngs.
> <https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narkive.com/>
>
And you would have to understand the history of alt.*
to know how it got the way it is today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy
"Unlike most of the other hierarchies, there is no centralized control
of the hierarchy and anyone who is technically capable of creating a newsgroup
can do so. [That used to be true. Less so now.]
In practice, however, most newsgroups follow an informal procedure involving
a public discussion in alt.config before being created. This procedure is
designed to help the potential creator better understand what factors
contribute to a newsgroup's success.
It is up to each individual news administrator whether to add a new newsgroup,
and some will not do so if the group has not been discussed in alt.config.
"
At one time, the creation of alt.* newsgroups got out of control. Vanity
groups would be created, like someone would make a
alt.greg.sucks.donkey.balls
in other words, tit-for-tat sniping using newsgroups as "toys".
Eventually, there were around 100,000 alt.* newsgroups.
Something had to be done.
Administrators first tightened the creation process.
I believe there might be a queue on the server, attempts
to create go in there, there could be "signing" used to indicate
semi-legit attempts at group creation. The administrator processes
these manually (after a fashion).
Then, the alt.* cesspit was cleaned out. Groups with
low traffic (like only two spam posts in two years), would
get removed. The number of alt groups today is smaller.
There is no guarantee that two servers carry exactly
the same alt.* set. Alt.* has been through a lot over
the years. And that's the result.
Even the alt.comp.os.windows-10 and alt.comp.os.windows-11
are not necessarily on all the hobby servers. And Google
Groups would not have added them either, as a number of
alt.* groups are missing on Google (a temporal cutoff, Google
stopped adding alt.* at some point, some Linux ones are missing).
Paul
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October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-10-15 11:06 +0000
Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 07:16 -0400
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Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-16 16:11 -0400
Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-10-16 22:30 +0000
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Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-10-18 21:39 +0000
Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-17 17:51 +0000
Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-18 00:05 -0400
Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-18 15:43 +0000
Re: October 15, 2025 Your version of windows has reached the end of support [19045.6456] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-17 14:11 +0000
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