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Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing

From Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing
Date 2025-10-08 20:30 +1100
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On 6/10/2025 11:22 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-06 10:23, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 6/10/2025 3:16 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-05 19:46, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> Alan>>> If I do a similar thing on macOS, it's done almost before 
>>>> the files
>>>> Alan>>> have finished the move
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-10-01 13:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Carlos>> Not if it does content indexing.
>>>>
>>>> Alan> If a file has already BEEN indexed for its content...
>>>> Alan> ...why would simply moving it to a new location require it to 
>>>> be re-read?
>>>> Alan> Did its content magically change just because you moved it?
>>>> Alan> No.
>>>>
>>>> This is the difference between indexing on demand versus CONTINUOUSLY
>>>> MAINTAINING an index.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
>>>
>>> You index a file so that you can find it based on metadata and content.
>>>
>>> When a search happens, the INDEX gets searched the location of the 
>>> file is returned.
>>>
>>> The location of the file is ONE single piece of information in the 
>>> indexing system about the file.
>>>
>>> Move the file and all you need to do is update that one piece of 
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Nothing else has changed: not it's name, not it's date modified or 
>>> last opened, not it's content.
>>>
>>> So there is no need to re-read the file.
>>
>> How is your system supposed to know that the contents of the "new" 
>> "moved" file is *EXACTLY* the same as the original file (never had an 
>> individual Byte/Bit of RAM die on you??) .... unless it still HAS the 
>> "original" file to compare the new file too??
> 
> Two possibilities.
> 
>    a) There is a service, or daemon, that is tracking all move 
> operations (it must be connected to the system libraries that do the 
> moves). Ie, the kernel is designed to track moves and inform some higher 
> level layer about this. Thus the indexer is told that a file moved 
> location.
> 
>    b) The indexer does some fast checking of the file (name, attributes, 
> etc) and if it is the same, it assumes the file has moved. Maybe 
> verification is delayed.
> 
So are you, Carlos, suggesting that, at the time of the move/copy, the 
OS does not check that what ends up at the new/final location is the 
same as what was in the old/original location??

If that *IS* the case, I hope no-one EVER does a Defrag!! EVER!!
-- 
Daniel70

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It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-09 16:30 -0700
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-09 18:55 -0500
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-09 17:08 -0700
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> - 2025-08-10 03:22 +0000
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-09 23:52 -0400
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-08-10 09:54 +0100
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-09 23:28 -0400
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-10 12:34 +0800
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 11:25 -0400
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-10 12:37 -0700
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 19:46 -0400
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-10 17:00 -0700
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 00:04 -0400
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 06:13 +0000
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> - 2025-08-11 06:23 +0000
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 11:26 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-12 01:15 -0400
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 08:54 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-12 13:41 -0400
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 10:54 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-01 14:56 -0400
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-01 14:08 -0700
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 10:57 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 08:52 -0700
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 20:22 +0800
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 19:16 +0000
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 17:03 -0700
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 12:36 +0800
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-10-06 15:49 +0100
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-08-10 18:33 -0400
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 02:12 -0400
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 11:25 -0700
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:02 -0400
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 17:01 -0700
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-12 01:24 -0400
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 08:49 -0700
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 17:10 +0000
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 08:55 -0700
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 16:03 -0400
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 18:15 -0400
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 22:19 +0200
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-01 14:18 -0700
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-05 15:01 -0700
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-10-06 02:46 +0000
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-05 21:16 -0700
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-06 19:23 +1100
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-06 09:56 +0100
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-06 20:54 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-10-06 15:59 +0100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:35 +0200
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 13:53 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 20:12 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:18 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 08:59 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 20:18 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-08 11:16 +0100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-06 17:28 +0100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 09:33 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 20:23 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:20 -0700
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 14:22 +0200
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 09:00 -0700
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 20:30 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:48 +0200
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-08 11:25 +0100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:22 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:21 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:20 -0700
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 08:58 -0700
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:44 +0200
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 13:56 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 23:22 +0200
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 16:51 -0700
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 20:35 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-08 11:38 +0100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:23 -0700
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-06 04:52 -0400
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 14:17 +0200
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 09:12 -0700
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:47 +0200
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 14:12 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-06 23:25 +0200
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 16:55 -0700
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 21:21 +1100
                Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:24 -0700
  Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-10-06 15:45 +0100
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 09:13 -0700
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-10-06 17:48 +0100
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 10:08 -0700
    Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-06 19:51 -0400
      Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 17:27 -0700
        Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-06 21:47 -0400
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-06 22:13 -0700
          Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 22:01 +1100
            Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:45 -0400
              Re: It is stunning when you see how badly Windows operates: indexing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-10-08 08:25 -0700

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