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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality |
| Date | 2025-09-05 01:20 +0000 |
| Organization | BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) |
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 09:17:33 -0700, AJL wrote :
>> Google appear to show that they trust isolated 'private' filesystems
>> per app or per user.
>
> So I'm doubtful multiple accounts on one device would help with a
> "risky" sideloaded Android app...
Hi AJL,
You and Andy know more than I do, so I may be off base, but I think what
Andy was referring to might have been Android "sandboxing" capabilities.
Lately I've been toying with the idea of trying to sandbox system-level
services like Google Play Services without root but in a way it's kind of
sort of like trying to keep a shark in a fishbowl in your bedroom.
All Android apps already run in isolated sandboxes by default. But that
doesn't mean they can't ask for permissions to access your contacts,
location, storage, etc. So while the OS gives you a sandbox, it also hands
apps the keys to your data if you're not careful.
However, apps exist such as Shelter, Island & Insular which don't require
root and which use the work profile where you can clone apps and isolate
data, such that "some" apps can be potentially more deeply sandboxable.
While so far I've failed to adequately sandbox the google play services
package, I think Andy is discussing a general process for sideloading.
1. Install Shelter or Island from F-Droid onto you Android
<https://www.xda-developers.com/shelter-open-source-sandboxing-app/>
<https://www.gtricks.com/android/how-to-sandbox-android-apps-for-privacy/>
2. Set up a work profile
3. Either clone or sideload the desired APK directly into that sandbox
4. Manage permissions specifically for that sideloaded app in the profile
Issues I'm running into are Samsung Knox & Secure Folder interference,
although there may be less Draconian ways to harden the sandbox such as
a. TrackerControl: <https://trackercontrol.org/>
Blocks trackers and network access per app (no root)
b. NetGuard: <https://netguard.me/>
Firewall-based control over app connections
Maybe we should start a separate thread on sideloaded-app containment?
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Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-26 03:32 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-08-26 05:55 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-26 07:11 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-08-26 09:03 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-01 02:07 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-08-31 22:11 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-08-31 14:44 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-08-31 22:35 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-08-31 21:00 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-01 06:13 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-09-01 03:59 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-01 08:28 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-01 17:47 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-01 10:22 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-01 20:17 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-09-02 18:27 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-02 22:37 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-02 17:53 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-03 05:39 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 00:05 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-03 16:18 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 11:37 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-03 21:02 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 15:36 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-04 15:17 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-05 01:06 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-03 08:23 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 00:05 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-03 10:23 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 08:21 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-03 18:33 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 11:37 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-03 22:18 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 15:36 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-04 08:06 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-04 07:17 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-04 09:31 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-04 09:17 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-03 21:10 +0100
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-03 15:36 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-04 12:25 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-04 09:17 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-09-04 18:27 +0200
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-04 17:33 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-04 12:12 +0100
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-04 09:17 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-05 01:20 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-05 08:40 +0100
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-05 09:47 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-05 16:57 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Qihe <Q@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 18:12 +0100
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-09-05 19:08 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-06 01:14 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-09-06 20:59 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Gabriel Coan <rockettaco37@rt37.nu> - 2025-09-05 19:05 -0400
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-06 00:28 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-06 01:22 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-05 20:16 -0700
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-06 18:04 +0000
Re: Google getting more and more like iOS in term of lost functionality AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-01 01:33 +0000
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