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Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help!

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On Thu, 7/31/2025 4:28 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-31 11:22, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
>> Going to take a chance and consider that some use Facebook here on a browser, like with Firefox as I do.  Besides, I don't see a separate FB group, so here goes and hope someone can help.
>>
>> About a month ago, I began to have to enter a PIN to access and send messages in Messenger.  Never had to do this prior, so I am assuming this was something new Facebook started, but it has been reaking havoc with my messages.
>>
>> I either don't get some messages now that people send, or messages I may have already received are gone when I next log in.  I don't use Messenger all that often, but when I do, I'd like it to work correctly.
>>
>> None of the aforementioned happened before they started this, and not sure of the solution.  I seem to remember coming across something about messages disappearing as a result of not saving Messenger cookies which could be since all cookies are cleared when Firefox closes.  However, again, this would be something new since that has been my set up for years without trouble.
> 
> Try making an exception in Ffx so that cookies for this website are preserved.
> 

You know there are cookies and there is DOM storage (folders with +++ in the name).

Hardly anyone is actually using cookie storage, for detailed metadata storage.
That goes in the DOM storage (Temporary, Permanent, ...). The cookie can still
be used as a single point identifier. I've had many cases where a web site
will claim "please enable cookies", and yes the cookies have been wide open
since forever. What it is actually whining about is the DOM storage version
might not be to its liking. If you look at Chrome design, you will notice
an excessive number of databases, and this is an attempt to scare users
away from "cleaning their metadata storage".

As a result of this, the idiot messages on the web, you have to think carefully
about the web devs and their "abuse patterns", to suss out what the real root
of the problem is. Building dependencies on DOM version, is a nice way
to kick older browsers to the curb. Sounds good to me.

OK, here's our hint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_storage

  "Web storage, formerly known as DOM storage (Document Object Model storage),
   is a standard JavaScript API provided by web browsers.
  "

And we know that the version number of Javascript is constantly being
changed (on purpose), just to invalidate the operation of older browser
releases. Maybe this affects DOM storage enough, to prevent the
metadata the Messenger wants to store, from working properly. Presumably
anything related to crypto, has some different handling.

   Paul

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Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Harvey Sanenbum <harvey50120@micro.net> - 2025-07-31 05:22 -0400
  Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-31 06:51 -0500
    Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Harvey Sanenbum <harvey50120@micro.net> - 2025-07-31 08:23 -0400
  Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-07-31 14:25 +0000
  Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-07-31 18:37 +0200
    Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Harvey Sanenbum <harvey50120@micro.net> - 2025-07-31 15:39 -0400
      Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-01 05:31 +0200
      Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-01 18:34 +0200
    Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-01 09:34 +0100
      Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-08-01 10:13 -0500
      Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-02 08:11 +0000
        Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-08-02 06:09 -0500
  Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:28 +0200
    Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-31 17:22 -0400
  Re: Facebook messenger woes since they started end-to-end encryption, help! Pragmatic Individual <pragmatic.individual@mainsite.tk> - 2025-07-31 21:48 +0000

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