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Re: Kids react to old computers

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Kids react to old computers
Date 2014-07-10 09:34 +1200
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <100720140934123495%YourName@YourISP.com> (permalink)
References (1 earlier) <lpg1ce$vf6$1@dont-email.me> <slrnlrp5n0.kr1.g.kreme@amelia.local> <53bc996f$0$50625$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com> <090720141340212878%YourName@YourISP.com> <lpkb9k$h60$1@dont-email.me>

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In article <lpkb9k$h60$1@dont-email.me>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> At 09 Jul 2014 13:40:21 +1200 Your Name wrote:
> > In article <53bc996f$0$50625$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > Soemone wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Commodore's cassette drive ran at a horrific 50 baud, and the
> > > >> disk drive was 300. As a comparison, the TRS-80 cassette drive 
> > > >> was 1500 baud, IIRC.
> > > 
> > > But this doesn't take into account how many times you had to try to
> > > load your program, and the time it took for casette to run before it
> > > got to the recorded program. (what we could sonider the "seek time"
> > > measured in many seconds).
> > > 
> > > Both  50 and 1500 baud recordings would likely have a seek time that
> > > was way longer than the actual recording. And if the 50 baud one was
> > > more reliable, then perhaps it would be faster on average.
> > 
> > The Commodore cassette drive was actually 50 *bytes* per second (around
> > 300 baud) and the floppy drive was 300-400 bytes per second. There were
> > "fast loaders" and "turbo loaders" which loaded faster though, and some
> > third-party drives were faster.
> 
> Thanks- I stand corrected.  I never actually had a Commodore "Datasette"
> myself, thankfully, I bought a disk drive with mine; I caught a "package
> deal" with the C64, the disk drive and a Commodore dot-matrix printer for
> $500 US, but a good buddy of mine had the Datasette drive. I remember 15-
> 20 minute load times for some of the commercial games he had.  He used to
> joke you really had to want to a play game pretty badly to load it up via
> cassette.  (He was already frustrated enough by the Datasette's
> performance to upgrade to a disk drive, but he still had a pile of
> cassette-based software he occasionally liked to run, and understandably
> didn't want to re-purchase in disk format!)
> 
> No such thing as "casual gaming" in those days!  ;)

I can't rememebr if they were availabel fr the VIC20, but you didn't
re-purchase it ... you used a "freeze" cartridge to dump the RAM
content to a easily loadable file, usually compressed and therefore
faster to load (although you then had to wait a little for it to
uncompress). They were also useful to get past some of the useless
garbage like loading screens or in some cases alter memmory values to
cheat, like turning off sprite collision detection for example.  :-)

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Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 09:55 -0700
  Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-26 19:25 +0200
  Re: Kids react to old computers Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2014-05-26 19:02 +0100
    Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 08:53 +1200
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:59 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:18 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 13:53 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 08:30 +0200
          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 19:01 +1200
          Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 19:34 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 10:06 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-28 09:06 +0000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 12:30 +0200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-29 08:58 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-03 16:59 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:24 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 08:50 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-04 08:11 +0100
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 19:19 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 14:39 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 09:33 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-05 09:05 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:06 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 14:04 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-08 00:17 +0000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-08 14:36 -0600
                Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 01:12 +0000
                Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-08 21:22 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:40 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 15:13 -0600
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:34 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 08:03 -0600
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:18 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:42 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:43 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 09:17 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:44 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:59 +1000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 16:10 +1200
  Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 19:05 +0100
    Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:53 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 17:23 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:09 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:19 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 22:23 +0100
        Re: Kids react to old computers bknight@conramp.net - 2014-05-26 16:48 -0500
          Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 15:10 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-05-27 08:43 +1000
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:08 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 13:31 +0100
        Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-27 05:14 +0000
        Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-27 17:04 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 15:38 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 23:58 +0100
  Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:14 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 13:49 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 14:12 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 17:57 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 18:07 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 18:39 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 20:20 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:23 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-07 20:13 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 20:31 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-07-14 17:45 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-15 10:19 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:19 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 17:24 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 22:16 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-27 08:41 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers mortman <mortn@comcast.net> - 2014-05-26 21:12 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-26 21:00 -0500
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 19:35 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 16:08 +1200
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 22:00 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:06 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 18:16 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:22 -0500
          Re: Kids react to old computers Harry Mudd <Agent001@Section-31.org> - 2014-06-04 22:48 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 12:39 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-27 16:13 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 09:02 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:15 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 17:10 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-05-28 15:44 +0000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-31 07:47 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:41 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 18:11 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:20 -0500
  Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:17 -0700
  Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:18 -0500
    Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:17 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 09:36 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:47 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 12:27 -0700
  Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-27 16:40 -0400
    Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:25 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-31 11:12 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-01 14:45 +0000
          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 09:24 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 14:45 +1200
  Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 19:42 +0200
    Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-01 14:01 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 +0200
        Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-02 11:29 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 06:14 +0200
            Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 01:33 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-05 23:22 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-06 02:36 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 02:41 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:21 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-06 00:00 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:20 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:52 +1000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:08 +0000
                Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:48 +1000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 23:43 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:36 +1000
                Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-08 03:09 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:15 +1000
                Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:18 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-07 18:03 +0100
                Re: Kids react to old computers News <News@Group.Post> - 2014-06-07 14:08 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:51 +1000
                Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 13:46 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-06 18:36 +1200
      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:51 +1000
    Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-01 21:54 -0400
  Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:05 -0400
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 06:58 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-09 07:01 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:02 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 12:24 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 18:00 +0000
          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-09 16:01 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 16:21 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-09 13:40 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:04 -0700

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