Re: Before There Was Global Warming There Was Meteorology

From	Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx>
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Subject	Re: Before There Was Global Warming There Was Meteorology
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Date	2016-03-14 05:12 +0100
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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

Bite My Shiny Metal Ass (aka Shiny Tinfoil Brain), in
<news:q58aebp1d2f8i511k51bsgm2b8oeg8or94@4ax.com> did thusly jump head
first into the wood chipper again:

> FNVWe stomped a retard's brain flat. Again:

>> Bite My Shiny Metal Ass (aka Shiny Tinfoil Brain), in

>>> FNVWe stomped a retard's brain flat. Again:

>>>> James McGinn, in

>>>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 9:56:19 AM UTC-8,
>>>>> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote:

>>>>>> Therefore that 22.414 liters molar volume would weigh:
>>>>>> 18.02 grams for water in its gaseous phase
>>>>>> 28.57 g for dry air

>>>>> Ideal gas laws are applicable to ideal gases, dumbass.

>>> Ahhh... from the mouths of babes.

>> Well, James McGinn has the intelligence of an infant, so for once
>> you're at least half-right. LOL

>>>> They are also applicable to gases when their margin of error are
>>>> within 10%, as both water vapor and air are.

> That's your criteria.

No, that's the general criteria of whether to use the Ideal Gas Law or
the van der Waal equation, Moron. You obviously didn't rape Google
hard enough. LOL

SPNAK!

> Not the criteria for people who need right answers.

But I gave you the right answer, KookTard.

------------------------------------------

I'm going to SPNAK! you so fucking hard I've got to subdivide the 
individual SPNAK!s into separate sections, Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Try 
not to cry and bleat too loudly, now. LOL

=============================================================
Moron uses the steam tables on the atmosphere! And he k'lames he's 
sane! Bwahahaha!

Ever hear of a Mollier diagram, you braindead halfwit?

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Mollier.pdf>

SPNAK!
=============================================================
The Ideal Gas Law doesn't require an *ideal* gas, Moron.

Ever hear of PV = nRT?

Yeah, you have no fucking idea what that means, huh. LOL

Solving for volume:
P = 101325 Pa
T = 294.261 K
R = 8.3144621 J/(mol*K)
n = 1 
V = 0.0241463 m^3

SPNAK!
=============================================================
Now compare what was calculated above with:

<http://www.webqc.org/van_der_waals_gas_law.html>
(P + ((n^2 * a) / V^2)(V - nb) = nRT

Parameters: Air
P = 101325 Pa
T = 294.261 K
R = 8.3144621 J/(mol*K)
n = 1 
V = 0.024127215938815 m^3

Gee... the Ideal Gas Law when used with dry air is only 0.079% off 
from perfect. So using the Ideal Gas Law for dry air is well *within* 
10% error. Moron. LOL

SPNAK!
=============================================================
Now, let's calculate for air with moisture. We'll go all out and 
assume 100% relative humidity as a worst case scenario, just so morons 
have no wiggle room to backpedal, lie, conflate and blither-blather.

<http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=psychrometric+properties>
Using the same parameters as used above gives:
V = 0.02445 m^3

Gee... that's only 1.337842% off from an ideal gas. Moron. And that 
1.337842% is the molar density change due to water in its gaseous 
phase being in air... you'll note it's *less* dense than dry air.

You'll also note it occupies a *larger* volume for the same molar 
quantity, thus it is *less* dense than dry air.

SPNAK!
=============================================================
<http://chemistry.bd.psu.edu/jircitano/gases.html>
"The previous laws all assume that the gas being measured is an ideal 
gas, a gas that obeys them all exactly.  But over a wide range of 
temperature, pressure, and volume, real gases deviate slightly from 
ideal.  Since, according to Avogadro, the same volumes of gas contain 
the same number of moles, chemists could now determine the formulas of 
gaseous elements and their formula masses.  The idea gas law is:
PV = nRT

Where n is the number of moles of the number of moles and R is a 
constant called the universal gas constant and is equal to 
approximately 0.0821 L-atm / mole-K."

SPNAK!
==================================================

So, go on and demonstrate yet again your lack of understanding of the 
Ideal Gas Law and molar volume. Moron.

SPNAK!

>>> Not very applicable, is it?

>> I'm going to SPNAK! you so fucking hard

> Really, fakey?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas
> 	"The ideal gas model tends to fail at lower
> 	 temperatures or higher pressures, when intermolecular
> 	 forces and molecular size become important. It also
> 	 fails for most heavy gases, such as many
> 	 refrigerants,[1] and for gases with strong
> 	 intermolecular forces, notably water vapor."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas>
"One mole of an ideal gas has a volume of 22.7 L at STP as defined by
IUPAC."

STP = 0 C, 1 bar

That's 0.0227 m^3.

I proved above that the Ideal Gas Law was much more accurate than that
for air.

SPNAK!

> So i'm right, as i knew all along.

Translation:
"So I'm wrong, as I have been all along, but my fragile little psyche
will crack if I admit that, so I'll bleat victolly." LOL

> And you're wrong, as you already know.

Except I'm right, and you're a moron. LOL

> But you will continue to bleat & bray.

Says the bleating, braying, bleatfarting, blither-blathering
backpedaling moronic kooktard, picking himself up after having been
drop-kicked yet again all the way across Usenet and scurrying back for
another punting. LOL

>> Ever hear of PV = nRT?
>> 
>> Yeah, you have no fucking idea what that means, huh. LOL

> Wow.  You just googled "ideal gas law", now you're an ideal
> gas expert.  Snjorkf!
> 
> I learned that in high school, fakey.  Too bad you didn't.

Except I proved you were wrong when you tried to conflate "within 10%
margin of error" with "10% error" *and* on your kooky k'lame that the
steam table should be used on the atmosphere, Moron. Now you backpedal
and bleat more, Spankard. But everyone saw you getting drop-kicked
across Usenet. Again.

Why are you so stupid, Shiny Tinfoil Brain? LOL

I bet you wish you could be right just once, huh, Moron.

<snicker>

-- 

Shiny Tinfoil Brain (aka Bite My Shiny Metal Ass) didn't know:
=====================================
The Euler equation is a subset of equations known as the Euler-Fourier
Formulas, thus that a sinewave is a transformation of a circle (which
should have been intuitive, given that generators *rotate* to create
*sinusoids*).

That cross correlation is used with Fourier transforms.

That superposition is the same as wave interference.

That wave interference works the same for standing or traveling waves.

That RMS and peak-to-peak voltage are two different things.

That RMS isn't a DC voltage.

That 170 volt peak, 120.208 volt RMS L-N 3-phase service gives 208.207
volts RMS L-L.

That 4444525800 != 4400000000 != 1.

The difference between frequency and period of a sinewave.

That there's no difference between 'i' and 'j' in electrical
engineering, physics and control systems engineering.

What a positive or negative vector is.

That the vector sum of 3-phase AC constitutes a closed loop per
Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, thus that the three phases sum to zero.

That "mnemonic" is not spelled "mneumonic".

That his claim: "Water is tetrahedral. It actually has 4 poles, 2
positive and 2 negative." is nonsense from a blathering moron.

That the term "electronegativity" denotes a *positive* effective
nuclear charge.

What the definition of the word "equivalent" is.

That digital voltmeters do indeed take discrete instantaneous samples.

That the atmosphere (and the gaseous phase water within the
atmosphere) does indeed follow the Ideal Gas Law to within 1.337842%
margin of error *worst* *case* at 70 F.

That the square of the instantaneous sample of peak-to-peak voltage of
a peak-voltage sinewave is an offset sinewave, thus its average does
*not* equal zero, as Shiny Tinfoil Brain k'lames.

That the Ideal Gas Law does not require an ideal gas because it takes
into account molar volume.

That "within 10% error" does not equal "10% error".

That water can be plasmized.

That atomic number does not equal effective nuclear charge.

And the moron continues to demonstrate his inability to read a graph.
=====================================

SPNAK!

<snicker>

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