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Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories

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On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 4:00:25 PM UTC-5, Steve BH wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:37:50 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:16:03 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 9:41:57 PM UTC-5, Steve BH wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 2:02:42 PM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 9:40:04 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > > > > I just finished a new paper titled "Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories."  Here's the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1806.0027v1.pdf
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In the paper I explain in detail how Einstein's theories say that MOTION IS NOT RECIPROCAL, and I explain how that FACT can be easily demonstrated by using ordinary police radar guns.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Radar guns also confirm that an oncoming car will encounter photons from the radar gun arriving at c+v, which contradicts what many college physics textbooks say.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I imagine almost everyone here will be in total disagreement with the paper, but if anyone can EXPLAIN where or how it is wrong, I'd be very interested (as long as the explanation isn't just a dogmatic rant arguing that IN MATHEMATICS motion IS reciprocal).  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The paper also explains how the Doppler shift for light is totally different from the Doppler shift for sound.  That is because light is emitted in the form of individual photons, not as waves.  Sound travels as waves.  Light does NOT. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Light is NOT always emitted as individual photons. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, it is.  When is it not?
> > > > 
> > > > > Photons are NOT conserved. 
> > > > 
> > > > What does that mean?
> > > > 
> > > > > There isn't a given NUMBER of them. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, there is.  There are billions of them in a radar pulse, but it is a number.
> > > > 
> > > > Einstein wrote this in his 1905 paper on Special Relativity: "in the propagation of a light ray emitted from a point source, the energy is not distributed continuously over ever-increasing volumes of space, but consists of a finite number of energy quanta localized at points of space that move without dividing, and can be absorbed or generated only as complete units."
> > > > 
> > > > Notice: "a finite number of energy quanta localized at points in space."
> > > > 
> > > > > When photons get together they merge into each other and lose their individual identities (which the whole point of being a boson). 
> > > > 
> > > > Photons moving through space do NOT merge into each other.  There is no basis for claiming such a thing.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In an antenna, electrons move in packets and emit simultaneously, rather like you using your hands to push out a wave in a pool. Are you doing anything with individual water molecules, there? Not really.
> > > > 
> > > > In an antenna, electrons emit individual photons oscillating at a specific frequency.  The photons are emitted RANDOMLY in all directions, but they are emitted in "packets" or pulses.  The pulses can then be made to vary in amplitude (AM radio) or frequency of pulses (FM radio).  
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > Photons are not conserved?????  When we receive photons from galaxy MACS0647-JD, photons which were emitted 13.3 billion years ago, all evidence says those photons oscillate at the same frequency as when they were emitted.  They have the same energy as when emitted.  So, how was their energy not conserved?
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > Actually, no it isn't. The "astronomical redshift" of those photons results from space containing them expanding while they are on their way. Their energy falls when this happens. Where the energy goes is a matter of some debate (it probably decreases the graviational potential the objects embedded in space-time), but it's certainly no longer in the photons, even if it still remains in the "system" (universe). 
> 
> An interesting BELIEF or THEORY, but there are NO FACTS to support it.  The FACTS say otherwise.
> 
> > 
> > Hey, you tell me: do you think the Bang Bang happened at a temperature of 2.7 Kelvin?  Then how come we get ~ mm microwave CMBR photons from it, as though it did? Each one has been stretched by a factor of 1300 and it has lost all but 1/1300 of its energy.
> 
> If you want to find the answer to that, there are a lot of physics books which explain the CMPR.  
> 
> Ed


Yes they do. And they explain it by pointing out that these photons have lost their energy by simply traveling through expanding space. So, you lose, there.

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Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-04 07:40 -0700
  Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:30 -0700
      Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 19:24 -0700
  Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-04 14:02 -0700
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-04 15:00 -0700
      Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0700
        Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:16 +0200
        Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 09:38 -0700
        Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-06-05 10:23 -0700
        Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-05 10:30 -0700
          Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 13:54 -0700
            Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-05 15:38 -0700
        Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 13:53 -0700
          Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 14:07 -0700
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 19:41 -0700
      Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 08:16 -0700
        Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 08:37 -0700
          Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 09:39 -0700
          Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:00 -0700
            Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 14:11 -0700
              Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:18 -0700
              Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:03 -0700
                Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
  Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 15:04 -0700
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-06-05 08:34 +0200
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-05 07:57 -0700
      Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:14 +0200
  Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-06-04 16:25 -0700
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 19:20 -0700
  Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-06-06 10:21 -0700
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-06-07 10:16 +0200
    Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-20 06:36 -0700
      Re: Radar Guns and Einstein's Theories "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 15:36 -0700

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