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On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 11:56:19 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 3:56:42 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 10:40:14 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 3:10:30 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Reinhardt, God has no creator.  From our point of view, He has always
> > > > been, and will always be.  He is God Almighty, the Creator of all.
> > > > 
> > > Hu haiyah, ve hu hove, ve hu yehiyeh
> > > 
> > > (He was, and He is, and He shall be).
> > > 
> > > Except it doesn't translate. Hebrew has no present tense. You cannot say
> > > "I eat", only "I ate", "I will eat", or "I am eating", in the last, "eating" is an
> > > adjective.
> > > So what about the verb "to be?". In English we can say "I am eating", "I am
> > > tallking" and so on. But you can't put the verb to be in the same form, "I
> > > am being". And it's the same with Hebrew. 
> > > So "hu hove" does not mean "He is", it means "He is being". It's regular, but
> > > it's illegal. Except, in Hebrew, when applied to God. Only God has a present
> > > tense, Only God is. Everything else was or shall be, but the infinitesimal 
> > > moment of the present is filled by Him and Him alone.
> > 
> > Try another passage to give context to the others:
> > 
> >     http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/90-2.htm
> >     http://biblehub.com/text/psalms/90-2.htm
> >     http://biblehub.com/lexicon/psalms/90-2.htm
> >     2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed
> >       the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou
> >       art God.
> > 
> > We read in Genesis 1 when the Earth was formed:
> > 
> >     http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm
> >     1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
> > 
> > So aligning with Psalms 90:2, and Genesis 1:1, God was before anything
> > in His creation was.  You can also read the YLT Young's Literal Translation
> > to read in English the order or true intent of the original Hebrew, Aramaic,
> > or Greek phrasing.  The words in the original language are sometimes
> > arranged differently, which can also convey explicit meaning beyond mere
> > word use.
> > 
> > Or you can go with the Greek:
> > 
> >     http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/22-13.htm
> >     13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the
> >        last.
> > 
> > -----
> > We can't just take one passage and run with it.  The Bible is a whole
> > assemblage of the written revelation of God given to man throughout our
> > history.  It must be studied.  And for all who would step forward and
> > be a teacher on the subject, it is wise to remember two things:
> > 
> >     http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_timothy/2-15.htm
> >     15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth
> >        not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
> > 
> > And:
> > 
> >     http://biblehub.com/kjv/james/3-1.htm
> >     1 My brethren, be not many masters [teachers], knowing that we shall
> >       receive the greater condemnation.
> > 
> > It is a hefty thing to step up in this world and speak the teachings of
> > the Lord.  It is not to be entered in to lightly.  It has consequences
> > that are to be considered because the damage done by one who was taught
> > by a teaching of you, is credited back to you, and all they teach, and
> > so on.
> > 
> > We must study to rightly divide the word of truth, and then we open our
> > mouths to teach.
> > 
> Your approach is fundamentally unscholarly. ~You take one text, then you take
> another that superficially at least deals with a similar subject, and say that
> "taken together, these tell us what "The Bible" is really saying.
> 
> There is a case for looking at similar texts and phrases and seeing if they illuminate
> each other. It's not totally wrong-headed. But you can't do it exactly like that.
> You've got to look at the context, you've got to fit it into your theories of authorship
> and dating. If, for the sake of argument, we accept the traditional literalist view, then 
> the book of Genesis was written by Moses, Psalm 90 by King David. Over 300 years 
> apart. In David's time Israel was undergoing rapid development from an assembly of
> pastoral hill-tribes into a sophisticated, militarily strong, cultured empire with an
> administrative centre in Jerusalem. Moses, on the other hand, was a highly educated
> member of the Egyptian royal court who was driven into exile with a group of
> followers after disputes with the king. Different people, different backgrounds,
> different understanding.

If you take the view as a matter of men's knowledge and involvement only
then it's easy to conclude such a thing.  But the spirit of God dwelt
within Moses and David, and it was that spirit which guided them from
within.  It was not their own Earthly understanding, nor mental or
physical prowess, but it was God changing their hearts, guiding them
from within, giving them the power and ability to do, and to record a
message and lesson that was not for them only, but for all people who
would come after (for even the Old Testament has extreme value for the
Christians who today find their salvation in Jesus Christ, recorded in
the New Testament by name, along with His Earthly acts and deeds).

-----
It was God's Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible, and recorded the things
which are written in it.  They were written through men's hands, but it
was the spirit of the living God which guided their writing, hence it is
one book, one voice throughout the entire Bible.

Moses:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/numbers/11.htm
    16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the
       elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people,
       and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the
       congregation, that they may stand there with thee.
    17 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of
       the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they
       shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it
       not thyself alone.
    -----
    24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and
       gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them
       round about the tabernacle.
    25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of
       the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders:
       and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they
       prophesied, and did not cease.

A portion of the spirit which was upon Moses was divided out to 70 men,
and they prophesied, and did not cease in so doing.

David:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_samuel/16-13.htm
    13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst
       of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from
       that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

David walked with the spirit of God guiding Him.  He made mistakes, but
he repented, and he was a man after God's own heart the Bible records:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_samuel/13-14.htm
    14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him
       a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be
       captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which
       the LORD commanded thee.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/13-22.htm
    22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be
       their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found
       David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall
       fulfil all my will.

-----
God has had a plan in motion since before He created the Earth.  We are
living through His plan here upon this Earth, but it is one plan, one
purpose, one God, one vision, one final destination for those who are
saved by Jesus Christ.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 05:28 -0700
  Re: How much is your life worth? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-17 12:34 +0000
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