Re: Towards the fully 3D-printed electric cars.

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups	sci.space.policy, sci.physics, rec.arts.sf.science, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Towards the fully 3D-printed electric cars.
Date	2017-07-06 01:22 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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In sci.physics krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:12:47 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> In article <slnq2e-pn7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>>> says...
>>>> > Also, the other option that 3D printing opens up is more shape optimized 
>>>> > parts.  These things are optimized so that "useless" mass is simply gone 
>>>> > from the design.  They tend to look "organic" rather than "machined" due 
>>>> > to their complex shapes.  I've heard this called "light-weighting" parts 
>>>> > from management types. 
>>>> 
>>>> And about the only place where weight matters that much is in things
>>>> that fly and in that case useless mass is already gone from the design
>>>> without the expense of 3D printing.
>>> 
>>> True, the big dumb cylindrical pressure vessel may not apply but, that's 
>>> not the entire aircraft.
>>> 
>>> If the "mass were already gone from the design" then GE would not be 
>>> pouring literally millions of dollars into developing a one meter cubed 
>>> 3D printer presumably for printing aircraft engine parts. 
>>> 
>>> Landing gear, and all other structural moving parts, is surely another 
>>> area on aircraft which could use this technology.  Landing gear make up 
>>> a significant percentage of an aircraft's total dry mass, so this would 
>>> be a likely candidate for shape optimization and 3D printing.
>>
>>Again, you are talking about niche applications and landing gear are not
>>that big a part of an aircrafts weight.
>>
>>>> Have you ever looked at the interior structures of an aircraft?
>>> 
>>> Yes, many times.  I've got a b.s. in aerospace engineering, so I know 
>>> the basics.  Many of our customers are aerospace, so I have to 
>>> understand the domain.
>>>  
>>>> 3D printing is, and always will be, a niche manufacturing method.
>>>> 
>>>> Handy at times, but certainly not a world changer.
>>> 
>>> This is quite short sighted.  I'm sure the same was said about 
>>> composites when they were in their infancy.  Today it would be quite 
>>> hard (i.e. likely impossible) to point to something commercial that 
>>> flies and carries people commercially that has absolutely zero composite 
>>> content. 
>>
>>An irrelevant red herring to the subject of 3D printing. There are a HUGE
>>number of different composite materials out there and it has taken well
>>over half a century for most aircraft to have even a small fraction of
>>composite materials in their construction.
>>
>>Note the word "most".
>>
>>> I can say that shape optimization coupled with 3D printing is one of the 
>>> "bleeding edge" topics in my industry.  It's really no secret, you can 
>>> surely Google hundreds of articles on the topic.  I really can't go into 
>>> further details, but my profession is in writing engineering software, 
>>> so I ought to know. 
>>
>>Whoopee. It is still niche.
>>
>>Does anyone care about a shape optimized 4 slice toaster or filing cabinet?
> 
> Marketing types certainly do.  Consumers have always bought toasters
> based on their looks.  After all, the thousands of different designs
> all do the same thing.

And all look about the same.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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