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Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why?

Date	2015-07-18 16:24 -0500
From	Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why?
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On 7/18/15 7/18/15   10:28 AM, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> IWhy would any normal person
> ASSume an undetectable frame?

Well Lorentz certainly did, when he developed LET. Of course initially he did 
not know it would turn out to be undetectable.

And, of course, the ether is presumed to be a PHYSICAL ESSENCE. So in LET, NO 
OBSERVER can "assume" he is at rest in the ether frame (as kenseto fantasizes). 
Or at least not one located on earth, as it clearly rotates and orbits the sun, 
so could not possibly be at rest relative to a PHYSICAL ESSENCE that is 
immutable, all-pervasive, and at rest in a UNIQUE frame.

	These last are all properties of the ether in LET. That's
	one of its biggest drawbacks: it requires an "unmoved mover".
	[If you don't recognize that quote, look up Aristotle.]

Tom Roberts

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When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2015-07-17 01:35 -0700
  Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 10:41 +0200
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-17 05:48 -0400
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 11:54 +0200
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-17 06:32 -0400
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 12:48 +0200
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 19:10 -0700
            Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 09:04 +0200
              Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 09:31 +0200
              Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 20:20 +0200
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:29 -0700
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 20:58 +0200
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 12:45 -0700
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 22:02 +0200
              Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:26 -0700
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 20:42 +0200
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:10 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-17 05:16 -0700
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 14:35 +0200
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 06:31 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-17 09:24 -0500
  When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 04:29 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 13:52 +0200
  Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 04:53 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 14:13 +0200
  Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-17 05:04 -0700
  Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-17 09:06 -0500
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-07-17 21:59 +0000
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-17 18:39 -0400
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-18 16:24 -0500
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-18 15:10 -0700
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-18 19:59 -0500
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-20 07:03 -0700
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:16 -0700
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:38 -0700
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-19 16:47 -0500
            Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 15:13 -0700
            Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 16:35 -0700
            Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-07-20 15:04 +0200
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-18 16:28 -0500
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-18 23:36 +0200
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? alsor@interia.pl - 2015-07-19 15:30 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-18 16:35 -0500
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:22 -0700
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:43 -0700
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-19 20:59 +0200
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-20 07:06 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 19:18 -0700
    Stephane Baune repeats the same imbecilities as before "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-18 21:34 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-19 11:01 -0700
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-20 06:53 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? alsor@interia.pl - 2015-07-19 15:20 -0700
    Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? alsor@interia.pl - 2015-07-19 15:26 -0700
      Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-20 06:49 -0700
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 00:15 -0700
        Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-22 07:32 -0700
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 09:42 -0500
            Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-23 05:58 -0700
              Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:36 -0500
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-23 16:58 -0700
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 20:51 -0500
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-07 08:20 -0700
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 11:17 -0500
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 11:20 -0500
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 11:23 -0500
                Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 11:24 -0500
          Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 07:43 -0700
  Re: When the rate 'clocks are slowing ...why? John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:45 -0700

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