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Have BT been making unannounced changes?

Started byWoody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
First post2026-07-04 12:38 +0100
Last post2026-07-11 11:14 +0100
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  Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-04 12:38 +0100
    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-04 12:56 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-04 20:34 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-04 20:49 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-05 11:27 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-05 11:26 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 12:28 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:54 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-05 19:18 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 20:42 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 21:27 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-06 14:25 +0100
                  Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:13 +0100
                    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-07 10:45 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:22 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 12:12 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 13:33 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:03 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 14:20 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:33 +0100
                  Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-07-06 09:43 +0100
                    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 10:51 +0100
                      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 13:52 +0100
                        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 15:42 +0100
                          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 18:26 +0100
                            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 19:13 +0100
                              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:50 +0100
                        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-06 22:34 +0100
                          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 22:49 +0100
                            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-07-06 23:35 +0100
                              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 22:23 +0100
                                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-07 23:03 +0100
                                  Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 23:35 +0100
                                    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-07-11 16:52 +0100
                        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:46 +0100
                          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:01 +0100
                          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-07 11:05 +0100
                            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 13:41 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:49 +0100
                  Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 19:03 +0100
                    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 19:10 +0100
                      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:27 +0100
                        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 20:13 +0100
                    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:20 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-11 09:48 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-11 11:14 +0100

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#39631

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-07-05 19:03 +0100
Message-ID<navkjfFhff0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#39629
David Woolley wrote:

> BT are using SIP, but over a different VPN, for the PPP over Ethernet, 
> from that used for any broadband, on the same line.  They also don't 
> provide you with credentials necessary to bypass their hub.

A different VPN, or on a different VLAN?

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#39632

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-07-05 19:10 +0100
Message-ID<navl0gFhh1tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#39631
Andy Burns wrote:

> on a different VLAN?

Apparently not ...

<https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4664092-bt-fttp-with-digital-voice-alternative-to-smart-hub-2.html?fpart=2#Post4666538>

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#39636

FromDavid Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 19:27 +0100
Message-ID<112e7ms$19216$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#39632
On 05/07/2026 19:10, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> on a different VLAN?
> 
> Apparently not ...
> 
> <https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4664092-bt-fttp-with-digital- 
> voice-alternative-to-smart-hub-2.html?fpart=2#Post4666538>

Broadband is on tagged VLAN 101, on FTTC, and some sources say that 
Digital Voice is untagged.  The situation is a bit more confusing for 
FTTP, which I don't  have, but is probably done but hidden in the ONT.

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#39637

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-07-05 20:13 +0100
Message-ID<navol8Fi2thU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#39636
David Woolley wrote:

> Broadband is on tagged VLAN 101, on FTTC

Yes, that much I do know from when I re-flashed a HH5A with openWRT

> and some sources say that 
> Digital Voice is untagged.  

I don't have DV, so can't test, I know from SINet documents they can 
provision extra VLANs (maybe for VoD?)

> The situation is a bit more confusing for 
> FTTP, which I don't  have

Me neither, but it seems to be getting closer (I can find houses a few 
hundred metres away where it's available).

> but is probably done but hidden in the ONT.

I could look for 801.1q or 802.1ad (QinQ) packets once I do get FTTP, 
but would assume they'd be non-existent unless provisioned.

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#39634

FromDavid Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 19:20 +0100
Message-ID<112e7a7$19216$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#39631
On 05/07/2026 19:03, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
> A different VPN, or on a different VLAN?

My slip up.  A different VLAN.

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#39661

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-07-11 09:48 +0100
Message-ID<nbee8vFr9buU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#39618
Woody wrote:

> we are not on DV AFAIK.
> 
> Having said that a month or two ago we had to start dialling the full 
> area code as well as number even for local calls.

So have you concluded tat you *are* on DV (via a PDPL)?

Were you on some form of priority register that would have prompted BT 
to move you to that product?

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#39662

FromWoody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
Date2026-07-11 11:14 +0100
Message-ID<112t51r$1veui$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#39661
On Sat 11/07/2026 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
> Woody wrote:
> 
>> we are not on DV AFAIK.
>>
>> Having said that a month or two ago we had to start dialling the full 
>> area code as well as number even for local calls.
> 
> So have you concluded tat you *are* on DV (via a PDPL)?
> 
> Were you on some form of priority register that would have prompted BT 
> to move you to that product?
> 

Only age related - which we never asked  fro but BT did anyway.

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