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  EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 03:32 +0000
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:43 -0800
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 10:05 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-29 11:32 +0100
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> - 2024-12-29 09:24 -0600
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2024-12-29 09:40 +0000
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2024-12-29 11:24 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-29 12:24 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:31 -0700
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:50 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:46 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:04 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:42 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:45 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 -0500
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:40 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:44 +0100
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-12-30 15:56 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:11 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:17 +0100
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 00:58 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:42 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0100
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:36 +0000
                                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:18 +0100
                                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:15 +0000
                                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 23:00 +0100
                                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-31 22:25 +0000
                                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:16 +0100
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 08:47 -0800
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:25 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:49 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:05 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 22:34 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 04:50 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 20:58 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-12-30 18:03 +1300
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 05:06 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 22:36 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:26 +0100
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Charles - 2024-12-30 17:41 -0500
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:11 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:33 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:51 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:24 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:19 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:14 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:13 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:46 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:25 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:07 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:32 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:24 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:39 -0500
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:48 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-31 16:03 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:20 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-30 06:21 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 09:00 -0500
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-12-29 16:18 +0100
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 12:25 -0500
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:03 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:02 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-31 08:39 -0500
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:58 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 10:01 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:41 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:20 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:50 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:53 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:36 +0100
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:10 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:26 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:42 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:28 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:00 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:15 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:19 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:47 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 22:22 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:36 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:41 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:32 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:18 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-02 09:53 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 10:34 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-04 11:18 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 21:43 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 14:45 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:37 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:47 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 22:55 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 12:56 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:48 -0800

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#45464

Zaidy036 wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 14:39:04 -0500 :

> DropBox and eMail are easy transfers also

In other words, the only solution for copying 128 GB (or so) of data from
any Apple device that is five inches away from any Windows PC is to use the
classic Apple clusterfuck method of purchasing an expensive cloud account
and then transferring 128GB (or so) of data from that dumb iOS device to
someone elses' (expensive) servers on the Internet and then copy that 128
GB (or so) back to the PC which was five inches away the entire time.

The fact that Apple clusterfuck is how you'd do it proves the maxim: 
   *Apple hates you*

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#45478

Andrew wrote:

> Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.
I wasn't talking about general data transfer to/from android, but the 
out-of-the-box "wizard" that transfers apps, data and settings from old 
phone to new phone, which is a slick process.

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#45493

Andy Burns wrote on Tue, 31 Dec 2024 16:03:40 +0000 :

>> Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.
> I wasn't talking about general data transfer to/from android, but the 
> out-of-the-box "wizard" that transfers apps, data and settings from old 
> phone to new phone, which is a slick process.

I understand. Thanks for clarifying. I'm one of the best on earth for
migrating apps and data so I don't need all those marketing crutches.

However, I agree that "migration" from one phone to another is pretty well
handled nowadays (whether the owner is migrating an iOS or Android device).

All the highly marketed migration strategies simply involve "the cloud".
(IMHO)

Me?

I put nothing on "the cloud" so my migration is pre-planned years ahead.

For example, my app migration is planned years ahead of time.
1. All my apps APKs are automatically backed up at the time of install.
2. My highly-organized home screen is periodically backed up.
3. I can install all my apps in a few seconds by sliding them over.
4. They always go EXACTLY in the new phone where they were in the old.

As for my data migration, that's even easier:
1. I format my external sd card to a known volume name.
2. I tell all my apps (if possible) to store data on that external card.
3. I just pluck the card out of the old phone & pop it into the new phone.

My migration is nearly 100% successful with those two simple strategies.
None of this can be done with iOS as iOS is a brain dead dumb terminal.

But, if you're intelligent, it can all easily be done with Android.

But I'm probably one out of a million Android users who can do all that.
So are you.

But most people need the clusterfuck of needing to use the cloud for that.

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#45443

On 29 Dec 2024 19:25:41 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>   My advice is to keep the USB dongle, it may come in handy one day.

Of course!

-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#45406

On 12/28/24 22:32, Andrew wrote:
> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
> 
> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- 
> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
> 
> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.

Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
industry has ever produced.

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#45407

W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:

>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>> 
>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- 
>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>> 
>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
> 
> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
> industry has ever produced.

It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
proprietary Lightning port.

Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851

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#45411

On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
> 
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too 
>>> long.
>>>
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>> "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>> force.
>>
>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
>> industry has ever produced.
> 
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
> proprietary Lightning port.
> 
> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
> 
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851

Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all 
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.

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#45412

bad sector wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:25:44 -0500 :

>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>> 
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
> 
> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all 
> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.

By forcing Apple to care about its customers, the EU did everyone a favor.

There's a reason the EU forced Apple to increase the battery capacity, for
example, as Apple wouldn't be able to sell a single iPhone if they did not.

Not a single iPhone prior to that legislation being drafted had anywhere
near the overall long-term battery life of most Android phones.

Even AFTER Apple (barely) complied with the EU's battery-life statutes, no
iPhone even comes close to the overall battery life of most Androids.

Apple hates you.

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#45415

On 2024-12-29 09:39, Andrew wrote:
> bad sector wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:25:44 -0500 :
> 
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you 
>>> know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>
>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all 
>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
> 
> By forcing Apple to care about its customers, the EU did everyone a favor.
> 
> There's a reason the EU forced Apple to increase the battery capacity, for
> example, as Apple wouldn't be able to sell a single iPhone if they did not.

This is false.

> 
> Not a single iPhone prior to that legislation being drafted had anywhere
> near the overall long-term battery life of most Android phones.

This is false.

> 
> Even AFTER Apple (barely) complied with the EU's battery-life statutes, no
> iPhone even comes close to the overall battery life of most Androids.

This is false.

> 
> Apple hates you.

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#45414

On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>
>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for 
>>>> too long.
>>>>
>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>
>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>>> "terrified" of
>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>>> force.
>>>
>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
>>> industry has ever produced.
>>
>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major 
>> union
>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this 
>> decision
>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>
>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
> 
> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all 
> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
> 
> 

Tell us all:

Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have 
worked out well?

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#45469

On 12/29/24 13:02, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>
>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for 
>>>>> too long.
>>>>>
>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>
>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>>>> force.
>>>>
>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB 
>>>> inteface wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of 
>>>> shit the industry has ever produced.
>>>
>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major 
>>> union
>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this 
>>> decision
>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you 
>>> know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>
>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all 
>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
> 
> Tell us all:
> 
> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have 
> worked out well?

Irrelevant, no industry has to work out well, or at all for that matter. 
In a democracy it is the majoritary value systen that is supposed to 
rule and not 'anything/anyone making money is sacred'. We have 
standardized wall outlets instead of a design for each supplier even 
though captive houses cannot run away to a different grid.




-- 
All species of mobile phones, media devices, Bluetooth or not, and 
onboard presentation systems beyond what is essential for vehicle 
control should automatically disable themselves within 10 meters of any 
vehicle in motion at any speed. "Hands-Free does NOT mean Brain-Free". 
In the case of approaching vehicles (pedestrian use included) that 
distance should be multiplied (prorated) for every 5km/h of CLOSURE 
speed (i.e. no such device should be operable within 200 meters of any 
vehicle approaching at 100 km/h). Manufacturers of devices in which such 
an automatic lockout feature is missing or can be disabled should first 
pay large fines and then be barred from the jurisdiction market. With 
respect to other road-hog conduct, in addition to intoxication or 
attention-diverting use of lethal-technology while driving, 
brake-checking and tailgating should also be hanging crimes. Any 
irresponsible vehicle handling should in fact be punished exactly as it 
would be in the case of irresponsible weapons handling (which ALSO needs 
to be beefed up).

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#45477

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>> 
>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for 
>>>>> too long.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>> 
>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>>>> force.
>>>> 
>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>> 
>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major 
>>> union
>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this 
>>> decision
>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>> 
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>> 
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>> 
>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all 
>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Tell us all:
> 
> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have 
> worked out well?

Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others. 

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#45480

On 2024-12-31 07:58, Chris wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>>
>>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>>> too long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>>> force.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>>
>>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>>> union
>>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>>> decision
>>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>>
>>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>>
>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>>
>>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Tell us all:
>>
>> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
>> worked out well?
> 
> Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.
> 

In what world have domestic airlines worked out well for the consumer; 
what country?

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#45486

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 07:58, Chris wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>>>> too long.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>>>> force.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>>>> union
>>>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>>>> decision
>>>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>>> 
>>>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>>>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tell us all:
>>> 
>>> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
>>> worked out well?
>> 
>> Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.
>> 
> 
> In what world have domestic airlines worked out well for the consumer; 
> what country?

I mean, not dying is quite an important benefit for the consumer.
Regulation has created the safest form of transport in the world. 

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#45492

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-31 07:58, Chris wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>>>>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>>>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>>>>> too long.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>>>>> force.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>>>>> union
>>>>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>>>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>>>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>>>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>>>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>>>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>>>>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tell us all:
>>>> 
>>>> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
>>>> worked out well?
>>> 
>>> Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.

>> In what world have domestic airlines worked out well for the consumer; 
>> what country?

> I mean, not dying is quite an important benefit for the consumer.
> Regulation has created the safest form of transport in the world. 

The safest form of transport is the passenger lift, but of course is
regulated.

-- 
Spike

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#45422

On 2024-12-29 07:18, Jan K. wrote:
> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
> 
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too 
>>> long.
>>>
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- 
>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were 
>>> "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into 
>>> force.
>>
>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
>> industry has ever produced.
> 
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
> proprietary Lightning port.

Bullshit.

Did they profit? Sure.

"Significantly". No way.

> 
> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
> 
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851

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#45423

Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
> 
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>>> 
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- 
>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>> 
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>> 
>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface 
>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the 
>> industry has ever produced.
> 
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
> proprietary Lightning port.
> 
> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).

Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped. 

It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
it will have. 

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#45430

Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:21:36 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
> 
> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped. 
> 
> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
> it will have.

Bear in mind Apple puts the cheapest possible components into the iPhone.
That's why the EU mandates forbid Apple to sell any iPhone in Europe.

Only then did Apple increase the battery capacity of the iPhone, Chris.

And even then, Apple barely made it to the EU minimum battery life, Chris.

Note: Apple trolls don't know the difference between hours in a day vs the
battery lifetime in years. Seriously - Apple trolls are that stupid.

If Apple didn't increase the size of batteries in iPhones, the EU would
have outlawed the sales of every single iPhone ever made, Chris.

Even now, only two iPhones (15 & 16) barely meet the EU lifetime standard.
Think about that.

The EU mandate means no iPhone prior to the EU's mandate (iPhone 14 &
below) comes even close to the bare *minimum* mobile device battery
lifetime - which is why they can no longer be sold new in the EU (as of
when the law takes effect).

Apple hates you.

Thank God the EU forces Apple to care about its customer (for once).

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#45431

On 2024-12-29 18:50, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:21:36 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you 
>>> know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>
>> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
>> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
>> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit 
>> mandating
>> it will have.
> 
> Bear in mind Apple puts the cheapest possible components into the iPhone.

False.

> That's why the EU mandates forbid Apple to sell any iPhone in Europe.

False. Literally never ever happened.

> 
> Only then did Apple increase the battery capacity of the iPhone, Chris.
> 
> And even then, Apple barely made it to the EU minimum battery life, Chris.
> 
> Note: Apple trolls don't know the difference between hours in a day vs the
> battery lifetime in years. Seriously - Apple trolls are that stupid.

Battery lifetime is measure in CYCLES.

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#45444

On 2024-12-29 19:21, Chris wrote:
> Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>
>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>>>>
>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
>>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>
>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>>>
>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>> industry has ever produced.
>>
>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>
>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
> 
> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
> 
> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
> it will have.

It is not only phones. I had to replace the battery in my Kobo touch 
ebook, and it was difficult.

So yes, I welcome that law a lot.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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