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Re: OT - TV

Started by"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
First post2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Last post2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
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  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
    Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-27 09:39 +0100
        Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-28 08:08 +0100
    Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                      OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                        Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                        Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                      Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-09 15:27 +0100
                                        Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2026-10-10 09:23 +0100
                                          Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 10:37 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
            Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
        Re: [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 22:22 +0200
    Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
        Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 15:56 +0100
              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 17:16 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:25 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 10:22 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:36 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:10 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:42 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                      Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-11 22:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:28 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:11 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 01:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 06:16 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:54 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:57 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:10 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:06 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:21 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:09 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:09 +1100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:31 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:21 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:08 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:23 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:47 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:28 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-14 00:32 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:08 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:04 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:56 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:07 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:59 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:16 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 23:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 03:21 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:18 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:42 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:16 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 04:42 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:18 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:45 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:25 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:34 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:31 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:48 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:54 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:14 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:00 -0500
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:19 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:01 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:44 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:25 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-13 11:21 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 16:55 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:05 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 09:57 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:16 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 21:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:51 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 23:14 -0400
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:54 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:32 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 14:57 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-15 16:45 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:22 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-15 17:24 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-16 14:04 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-16 18:31 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-17 11:53 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:53 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:55 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 18:18 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-19 13:54 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-19 15:36 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:44 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 10:45 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 12:03 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-12 12:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:27 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:57 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 15:44 +0100
                                                                    [OT] hybrids (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] hybrids liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 22:42 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-07 15:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-08 15:49 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:12 -0400
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:17 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-09 08:12 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 04:21 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 08:25 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-30 15:13 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:16 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 13:29 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 18:08 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 10:32 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 09:41 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:27 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> - 2026-10-16 18:22 +0000
                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-16 20:32 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:55 +0100
    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200

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#70994

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
Message-ID<11auds6$3ood8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70993
On 2026/10/16 22:14:35, chrisv wrote:
> JMB99 wrote:
> 
>> On 12/10/2026 19:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> the default is manual except for luxury vehicles.
>>
>> That is not what I found when I changed my car earlier this year.
> 
> Because it's no longer true.
> 
For _new_ cars.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Even the weakest disputant is made so conceited by what he calls
religion, as to think himself wiser than the wisest who think
differently from him." [Walter Savage Landor, "Melancthon and Calvin"]

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#70868

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
Message-ID<11aj9sa$3smhb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70866
On 2026/10/12 19:26:49, JMB99 wrote:
> On 10/10/2026 18:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> here are very few automatic cars in Spain.
> 
> 
> 
> Surprising, I thought car manufacturers were switching to only making 
> automatics and of course there are Battery Vehicles.
> 
> 
> 
That certainly isn't the case in UK; even new petrol/diesel vehicles,
for the home market, are mostly manuals - many Brits prefer them. Yes,
pure electrics are in effect automatics (at least they have no
gearbox/"transmission"); I'm not sure about hybrids.

Then there is the new/old mix; we certainly don't change our cars that
often, and I imagine Spain is similar.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

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#70869

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
Message-ID<nj4on6Fct96U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70868
J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> JMB99 wrote:
>
>> I thought car manufacturers were switching to only making
>> automatics and of course there are Battery Vehicles.
>
> That certainly isn't the case in UK; even new petrol/diesel vehicles,
> for the home market, are mostly manuals - many Brits prefer them. Yes,
> pure electrics are in effect automatics (at least they have no
> gearbox/"transmission"); I'm not sure about hybrids.
Most (but not all) hybrids use a planetary gearbox to allow combining 
engine and motor-generator to wheels.

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#70875

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
Message-ID<11akm19$add0$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70868
On 12/10/2026 19:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Yes,
> pure electrics are in effect automatics (at least they have no
> gearbox/"transmission"); I'm not sure about hybrids.
Well they do genarally have gearboxes and transmissions, even if the 
ratio is fixed...

the motor in each wheel is fairly rare

-- 
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house 
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

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#70992

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
Message-ID<br45dl5pauujfm28su91ecrhaq00vmeadr@4ax.com>
In reply to#70875
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>On 12/10/2026 19:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Yes,
>> pure electrics are in effect automatics (at least they have no
>> gearbox/"transmission"); I'm not sure about hybrids.
>Well they do genarally have gearboxes and transmissions, even if the 
>ratio is fixed...

No.  Check into Toyota's system.

>the motor in each wheel is fairly rare

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#70999

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
Message-ID<2d2cqmxn9r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70992
On 2026-10-16 23:13, chrisv wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 12/10/2026 19:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> Yes,
>>> pure electrics are in effect automatics (at least they have no
>>> gearbox/"transmission"); I'm not sure about hybrids.
>> Well they do genarally have gearboxes and transmissions, even if the
>> ratio is fixed...
> 
> No.  Check into Toyota's system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_xCssR8qQI
  Prius Hybrid Drive Explained
Niels Blaauw



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#70879

FromJMB99 <mb@nospam.net>
Date2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
Message-ID<11al3ak$fb53$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70868
On 12/10/2026 19:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Then there is the new/old mix; we certainly don't change our cars that
> often, and I imagine Spain is similar.


Aren't a significant proportion of new vehicles for fleet use, I suspect 
most hire cars will be automatic.


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#70886

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
Message-ID<11alc20$iamu$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70879
On 13/10/2026 12:05, JMB99 wrote:
> On 12/10/2026 19:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Then there is the new/old mix; we certainly don't change our cars that
>> often, and I imagine Spain is similar.
> 
> 
> Aren't a significant proportion of new vehicles for fleet use, I suspect 
> most hire cars will be automatic.
> 
I think most hires are in fact hybrid so they dont get whacked with ULEZ 
....


> 
> 

-- 
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

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#70870

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
Message-ID<tkqvpmxpek.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70866
On 2026-10-12 20:26, JMB99 wrote:
> On 10/10/2026 18:30, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> here are very few automatic cars in Spain.
> 
> 
> 
> Surprising, I thought car manufacturers were switching to only making 
> automatics and of course there are Battery Vehicles.

Hybrids tend to be automatic, yes. And electrics do not have "gears".

I do not have a quote for pure internal combustion cars, but seems to be 
25..30% automatic.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#70766

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-10-08 15:44 +0100
Message-ID<1s2o3et.1q34apm1qx3ou8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#70762
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2026-10-07 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[...]
> > Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
> > run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
> > depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
> 
> Some types should do well in hilly country.

I wasn't very impressed with a demonstration of a Prius on a nearby
hill: the battery started out fully charged but ran out after 200 metres
of gentle uphill; the rest of the climb was powered by the engine.
Coming down, the brakes had to be used a lot and the battery hardly
recharged at all.

The problem with a hybrid is that whichever power source is being used,
the other one is a very heavy and expensive 'passenger'.

-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#70773 — [OT] hybrids (was: Re: OT - TV)

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-08 22:12 +0100
Subject[OT] hybrids (was: Re: OT - TV)
Message-ID<11a90v2$7go8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70766
On 2026/10/8 15:44:5, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[]
> The problem with a hybrid is that whichever power source is being used,
> the other one is a very heavy and expensive 'passenger'.
> 
But having a heavy vehicle, though it makes accelerating or going uphill
more expensive, generates more from the regen when decelerating or going
downhill. At a steady speed on the flat, it doesn't make any difference
- all you're fighhting there is air resistance and rolling resistance
(mainly tyres unless bearings are worn). [I even feel that a heavier
vehicle is better against air resistance, but I feel there's a flaw in
that intuitive view, I just can't think of it at the moment.]
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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#70776 — Re: [OT] hybrids

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-10-08 22:42 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] hybrids
Message-ID<1s2ommu.t0lmh14gnajvN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#70773
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> On 2026/10/8 15:44:5, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> []
> > The problem with a hybrid is that whichever power source is being used,
> > the other one is a very heavy and expensive 'passenger'.
> > 
> But having a heavy vehicle, though it makes accelerating or going uphill
> more expensive, generates more from the regen when decelerating or going
> downhill.

Not if the battery can't cope with the energy input - the hybrid I saw
demonstrated would have taken half an hour to recharge its battery with
the amount of energy generated in 2 minutes from descending that hill.

 >At a steady speed on the flat, it doesn't make any difference
> - all you're fighhting there is air resistance and rolling resistance
> (mainly tyres unless bearings are worn).

The rolling resistance of a tyre increases with load.

-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#70747

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
Message-ID<11a58ou$2nipf$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70745
On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been 
>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>
>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And 
>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>
>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, 
>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start 
>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a 
>> long constant speed run.
> 
> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they 
> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline 
> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
> 
They are lower emissions in towns, if not overall.

But that is what you get with the EU. Renewable Obligatins that mandate 
renewable energy that doesn't actually work to reduce emissions and is 
expensive.

Hybrid cars that don't actually work to reduce emissions and are expensive

BUT the car makers and renewable companies are making money! And that's 
all  that really matters

-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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#70744

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
Message-ID<nimjtkF7onlU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70739
On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
>> batteries and continue to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.

The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#70748

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
Message-ID<11a58rl$2nipf$16@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70744
On 07/10/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been 
>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
> 
> The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p
> 
You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise, 
  harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.



-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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#70750

FromGraham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
Date2026-10-07 15:29 +0100
Message-ID<11a5l0g$2uq79$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70748
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[snip]

>>
> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise, 
>   harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.

By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free.

There are many currently untapped sources of biological waste: not only 
animal manure, but straw and the like from grain crops, culled animals, 
abattoir waste, wood waste from building and industry, industrial food 
processing waste, and sewage, as well as human cadavers (which might 
otherwise be incinerated at a cost of about 240kg of CO2 each).

I am aware that some sewage may already be processed to generate 
methane, so it's clear that the collection mechanism (in the form of 
underground pipes from almost every urban household), and the processing 
mechanism already exists.  The mechanism of delivering methane from 
these processing facilities to the gas grid may well also exist.

I think biomethane can be used to create a liquid fuel suitable for IC 
engines.



-- 
Graham J

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#70767

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-08 15:49 +0100
Message-ID<niposgFn0p9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70750
Graham J wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, 
>> fertilise,   harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.
> 
> By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free.
Provided you've got sufficient fertile land for fuel crops left, after 
you've grown all your food crops.

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#70769

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-08 13:12 -0400
Message-ID<11a8iug$1r96$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70767
On Thu, 10/8/2026 10:49 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Graham J wrote:
> 
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise,   harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.
>>
>> By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free.
> Provided you've got sufficient fertile land for fuel crops left, after you've grown all your food crops.
> And assuming you don't damage soil quality by doing this.
There was a recent article on declining soil quality on farms.
And how "practices" have to improve to stop it.

I think we could survive quite nicely without wasting farmland to make fossil fuels.

   Paul

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#70775

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-08 22:17 +0100
Message-ID<11a918t$7jdf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70767
On 2026/10/8 15:49:47, Andy Burns wrote:
> Graham J wrote:
> 
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, 
>>> fertilise,   harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.
>>
>> By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free.
> Provided you've got sufficient fertile land for fuel crops left, after 
> you've grown all your food crops.
> 
If he's talking of "free" biomethane, I don't think he's talking about
growing (whatever is needed to make) it, I think he's talking about the
natural methane from rotting, which otherwise goes to waste (it's made
anyway, whether you want it or not). Whether there's enough from that
source to make any difference in the scheme of things, I'm dubious,
though as long as collecting it doesn't actually cost more than it
yields, I think it should be collected.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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#70778

FromGraham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
Date2026-10-09 08:12 +0100
Message-ID<11aa45n$i8un$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70775
J. P. Gilliver wrote:

[snip]
>>
> If he's talking of "free" biomethane, I don't think he's talking about
> growing (whatever is needed to make) it, I think he's talking about the
> natural methane from rotting, which otherwise goes to waste (it's made
> anyway, whether you want it or not). Whether there's enough from that
> source to make any difference in the scheme of things, I'm dubious,
> though as long as collecting it doesn't actually cost more than it
> yields, I think it should be collected.


We already pay for the collection and disposal (often in landfill) of 
this material.  That - in the UK - is paid for out of your Council Tax 
and the sewage component of your water bill.

Collection and processing in an anaerobic digester to generate methane 
could well cost less than what we pay already, so the methane would, in 
effect, be free.


-- 
Graham J

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