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Re: OT - TV

Started by"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
First post2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Last post2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
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  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
    Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-27 09:39 +0100
        Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-28 08:08 +0100
    Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                      OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                        Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                        Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                      Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-09 15:27 +0100
                                        Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2026-10-10 09:23 +0100
                                          Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 10:37 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
            Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
        Re: [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 22:22 +0200
    Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
        Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 15:56 +0100
              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 17:16 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:25 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 10:22 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:36 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:10 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:42 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                      Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-11 22:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:28 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:11 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 01:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 06:16 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:54 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:57 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:10 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:06 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:21 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:09 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:09 +1100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:31 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:21 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:08 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:23 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:47 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:28 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-14 00:32 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:08 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:04 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:56 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:07 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:59 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:16 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 23:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 03:21 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:18 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:42 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:16 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 04:42 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:18 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:45 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:25 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:34 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:31 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:48 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:54 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:14 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:00 -0500
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:19 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:01 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:44 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:25 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-13 11:21 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 16:55 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:05 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 09:57 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:16 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 21:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:51 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 23:14 -0400
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:54 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:32 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 14:57 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-15 16:45 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:22 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-15 17:24 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-16 14:04 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-16 18:31 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-17 11:53 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:53 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:55 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 18:18 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-19 13:54 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-19 15:36 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:44 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 10:45 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 12:03 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-12 12:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:27 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:57 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 15:44 +0100
                                                                    [OT] hybrids (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] hybrids liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 22:42 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-07 15:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-08 15:49 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:12 -0400
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:17 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-09 08:12 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 04:21 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 08:25 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-30 15:13 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:16 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 13:29 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 18:08 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 10:32 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 09:41 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:27 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> - 2026-10-16 18:22 +0000
                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-16 20:32 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:55 +0100
    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200

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#70893

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-13 18:52 +0100
Message-ID<11alr4b$p00g$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70880
On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
> This seems to confirm what I thought
> 
> 
> 
> "AI Overview
> 
> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic 
> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of 
> delivered new vehicles."
> 
Coul you re-ask the AI, specifying fuel-only cars?

> 
> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test 
> to drive a manual car.
> 
Really? I thought automatic-only test-sitting - whatever it is intended
eventually to drive - was (in England) the exception rather than the
rule, used mainly by those who find driving _at all_ difficult.>
> 
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

An act like Morecambe and Wise happens once in a lifetime. Why did it
have to happen in mine?
- Bernie Winters quoted by Barry Cryer, RT 2013/11/30-12/6

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#70894

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
Message-ID<DzuzS.202987$_oJb.17399@fx46.iad>
In reply to#70893
On 2026-10-13, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
>
>> This seems to confirm what I thought
>> 
>> "AI Overview
>> 
>> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic 
>> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of 
>> delivered new vehicles."
> 
> Coul you re-ask the AI, specifying fuel-only cars?

This implies, I presume, that results of searches that
do not involve AI are inadmissable to this discussion.  ;-)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#70896

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-13 19:47 +0100
Message-ID<11alucq$qg8c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70894
On 2026/10/13 19:16:3, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-13, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
>>
>>> This seems to confirm what I thought
>>>
>>> "AI Overview
>>>
>>> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic 
>>> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of 
>>> delivered new vehicles."
>>
>> Coul you re-ask the AI, specifying fuel-only cars?
> 
> This implies, I presume, that results of searches that
> do not involve AI are inadmissable to this discussion.  ;-)
> 
No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes, I
do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.

Nevertheless, I asked Google:

"In the UK, of all cars on the road (so not just new sales), what
proportion are (a) fuel-only, manual gearbox (b) fuel-only, automatic
gearbox (c) electric or hybrid, manual gearbox (d) electric or hybrid,
in effect automatic gearbox? I appreciate that some electric and hybrid
models are automatic by nature."

and it's reply:

While the UK government’s Department for Transport (DfT) and industry
groups like cap hpi track precise overall vehicle breakdowns, they do
not publish an exact four-way percentage matrix combining transmission
type directly with exact powertrain sub-categories for all active vehicles.
However, by aggregating data on total licensed vehicles, overall
automatic vs. manual market penetration, and powertrain types, the
current overall landscape of the roughly 34.6 million cars on UK roads
breaks down approximately as follows:

(a) Fuel-Only, Manual Gearbox: ~55% to 60%

Despite manuals rapidly going extinct in showrooms (representing fewer
than 8% of new sales), manual-transmission vehicles still represent the
clear majority of all cars actively on UK roads. This is because the
average age of a used vehicle in the UK is nearly 10 years, stretching
back to a time when petrol and diesel cars were predominantly manual.
Recent DfT and industry tracking states that roughly 61% of all active
cars in the UK remain manual, nearly all of which are fuel-only.

(b) Fuel-Only, Automatic Gearbox: ~12% to 15%

In the 2010s, opting for an automatic in a standard petrol or diesel car
usually carried a hefty price premium (often up to £3,000), keeping
their market share low on the secondhand market. While conventional
fuel-only automatics have grown more popular recently due to falling
price premiums, they represent a modest slice of the historical, overall
fleet compared to manual fuel-only cars.

(c) Electric or Hybrid, Manual Gearbox: ~0%

This category is virtually non-existent. Fully electric vehicles (EVs)
deliver instant torque and do not use a multi-speed gearbox or clutch.
Similarly, the overwhelming majority of hybrid and plug-in hybrid
powertrains are engineered to work with automatic, CVT, or e-CVT units
to seamlessly balance engine and battery power. Aside from extremely
niche or simulated enthusiast exceptions, there are essentially zero
manual electrics or hybrids on the road.

(d) Electric or Hybrid, in effect Automatic Gearbox: ~25% to 30%

According to analysts at cap hpi, total automatics on UK roads reached
29.3%. Because almost all EVs and hybrids are automatic by design, and
because electrified vehicles have made up a massive chunk of newly
registered automatics over the last 5–7 years, the vast majority of that
~29.3% automatic share belongs to the electrified category."

So there you have it: Cars on British roads are about 61% manual, and of
automatics, most of them are electric or hybrid.


An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although _new_
automatics carried the price premium mentioned, _second-hand_ ones were
often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them; as a result my
first few were automatic, since as an impecunious
twentysomething-year-old, I bought cheap (paid 99 for my first, a 3.3L
Vauxhall Ventora [I can't imagine a new driver even _getting_ insurance
on a 3.3l car nowadays!]. _Had_ been a luxury car, well before it
reached me; sadly, it rusted around me, like all [at least British] cars
of those days, particularly Vauxhalls.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

An act like Morecambe and Wise happens once in a lifetime. Why did it
have to happen in mine?
- Bernie Winters quoted by Barry Cryer, RT 2013/11/30-12/6

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#70900

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 20:00 +0100
Message-ID<11alv4m$ocpj$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70896
On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;

The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. 
It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a 
fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good 
deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 
year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed 
it with fuel


-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#70906

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-13 20:28 +0100
Message-ID<11am0ov$rf03$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70900
On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
> 
> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. 
> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a 
> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good 
> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 
> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed 
> it with fuel
> 
> 
There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
bonnet.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"English doesn't borrow from other languages.  It follows them down
dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and rifles through their pockets
for loose grammar."

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#70914

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
Message-ID<eeWdnaKTL7mAc1P3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70906
On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
>>
>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good
>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5
>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed
>> it with fuel
>>
>>
> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
> bonnet.)

   DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
   modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.

   And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !

   Intentional ?

   3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
   a 'mid-sized' in the USA  :-)

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#70917

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 00:32 -0400
Message-ID<11an0lp$15mil$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70914
On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
>>>
>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good
>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5
>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed
>>> it with fuel
>>>
>>>
>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
>> bonnet.)
> 
>   DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
>   modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.
> 
>   And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !
> 
>   Intentional ?
> 
>   3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
>   a 'mid-sized' in the USA  :-)
> 

Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular
advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it
at home.

     Paul

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#70923

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
Message-ID<tnGdnbLd1pI4j1L3nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#70917
On 10/14/26 00:32, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
>>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
>>>>
>>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
>>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
>>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
>>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good
>>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5
>>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed
>>>> it with fuel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
>>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
>>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
>>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
>>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
>>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
>>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
>>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
>>> bonnet.)
>>
>>    DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
>>    modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.
>>
>>    And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !
>>
>>    Intentional ?
>>
>>    3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
>>    a 'mid-sized' in the USA  :-)
>>
> 
> Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular
> advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it
> at home.

   In USA we often call boats "a hole in the ocean
   into which you pour money"  :-)

   Yea, yea ... some people LOVE them - but
   they're usually DESTITUTE people.

   Boats+Nature - they just FALL APART. You'd
   need a lot of stainless steel with the
   latest synthetics around it. $$$ !!!

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#70942

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-14 14:08 +0100
Message-ID<11anurm$1gdf9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70923
On 2026/10/14 6:26:58, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/14/26 00:32, Paul wrote:
>> On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>>>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
>>>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
>>>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
>>>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
>>>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good
>>>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5
>>>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed
>>>>> it with fuel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
>>>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
>>>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
>>>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
>>>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
>>>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
>>>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
>>>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
>>>> bonnet.)
>>>
>>>    DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
>>>    modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.
>>>
>>>    And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !

Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which isn't
really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see when you lift
the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's a moulded piece of
black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet area look neat, and full
(and _may_ have some effect on airflow, though I doubt it); when you
remove that, what's underneath looks much as I expected a car engine to
look.

>>>
>>>    Intentional ?

There _may_ be some such intention, for medium-to-long bonnet shapes;
for the snub-nose types, I suspect it's just that it's nearly impossible
to make them easy to work on and still get them into that cramped space.

>>>
>>>    3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
>>>    a 'mid-sized' in the USA  :-)
>>>
I think it's been true to say that for some years, most models widely
bought come with 1.3 and 1.6 litre options, or 1.9 for the Diesel
option. Anything above 2 would be considered ostentatious or
performance-minded. Possibly excepting 4WDs, or SUVs as we seem to have
to call them nowadays. Automatics used to tend to have one size larger
(e. g. 1.6 instead of 1.3), back when such a box made for a noticeable
loss of power; not sure about now. Really compacts might come with a
1.1, or even a 995.

>>
>> Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular

Currently, I think it's about 1.6 pounds; certainly Diesel is around 2
(or 1.99 if you're lucky). And that's a litre, not gallon.

>> advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it
>> at home.

Plus, you'd have difficulty steering it round many towns, and parking it.

> 
>    In USA we often call boats "a hole in the ocean
>    into which you pour money"  :-)

I _think_ Paul was referring to large cars, not _actual_ boats! Despite
being a maritime nation, not a lot of Brits own a boat (for a start,
most people would have nowhere to put one).
[]
(The "boat" nickname also is a dig at the large American-type cars of
the 50s and 60s, which tended to have very soft suspension, and thus
wallow in a boat-like manner - again, not suitable for windy Britain.
[That's wine-dy, not wind-y.])

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who were your favourite TV stars or shows when you were a child?
Sadly they've all been arrested ...
Ian Hislop, in Radio Times 28 September-4 October 2013

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#70961

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
Message-ID<nja1nhFc9lcU36@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70942
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which isn't
> really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see when you lift
> the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's a moulded piece of
> black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet area look neat, and full
> (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, though I doubt it); when you
> remove that, what's underneath looks much as I expected a car engine to
> look.

My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the first 
one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. Wrong again. Each 
plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. 

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#70927

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 09:07 +0100
Message-ID<11and7i$194fq$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70917
On 14/10/2026 05:32, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_  ones were
>>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
>>>>
>>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
>>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
>>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
>>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good
>>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5
>>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed
>>>> it with fuel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
>>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
>>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
>>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
>>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
>>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
>>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
>>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
>>> bonnet.)
>>
>>    DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
>>    modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.
>>
>>    And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !
>>
>>    Intentional ?
>>
>>    3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
>>    a 'mid-sized' in the USA  :-)
>>
> 
> Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular
> advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it
> at home.
> 
And the fact is, European and Japanese style cars get better performance 
out of 3 cylinders than many US cars do out of 6

Try 0-60 in 5 seconds, top speed 140 mph and 34 mpg. From 3 litres of DIESEL

A little turbocharged 3 cylinder is perfectly adequate for 'soccer moms' 
to fetch the kids in and hit the supermarket

Buying fresh food 3 times a week would get expensive in an unparkable V8
and as for solid rear axles, steering boxes. and leaf springs? Not seen 
that on a car since the 1960s.

European cars mostly can GO ROUND CORNERS because roads follow old 
droving tracks that wove in and out of trees and streams long after the 
trees and streams were gone.

US cars are big clunky and fuel hungry because the roads are big 
straight and the fuel just flowed out of the ground and parking lots are 
ten acre stretches of asphalt



-- 
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight 
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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#70957

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:43 +0000
Message-ID<nja0rfFc9lcU32@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70927
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 09:07:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> European cars mostly can GO ROUND CORNERS because roads follow old
> droving tracks that wove in and out of trees and streams long after the
> trees and streams were gone.

American cars do quite well. In college I participated in a couple of 
rallies. The well heeled frat boys had their European sporty cars and I 
had my '60 Plymouth. You might want to consider why New England is called 
New England. I cut my teeth on dirt roads and there often were many in the 
rally route.  

I don't know about more formal rallies but another advantage of a big 
American car was having three navigators on board.

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#70925

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
Message-ID<nj8pajFsb3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70914
c186282 wrote:

>    DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
>    modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.

Several of my cars have been low with long bonnets (ok, not exactly 
E-types), my torso is quite long, so I tended to drive with the seat 
laid flat and far back, but in recent years my back started to complain 
getting in and out.

I had an SUV as a hire car for a week and my back appreciated the 
difference.  In general I dislike big SUVs as most people don't actually 
need them (myself included).

It took me over a year to decide which type of 'compact' SUV to buy, 
it's so nice to just step in and have the seat naturally be at 
arse-height, and step out and have the ground naturally be at the level 
my feet reach.

I still haven't got used to the different visibility from the snub nose 
and slab sides though.

>    And try to WORK on the packed-in engines ! 
>    Intentional ?

That battle was lost many years ago ...

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#70956

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:04 +0000
Message-ID<nj9ugnFc9lcU27@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70925
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 08:29:17 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> It took me over a year to decide which type of 'compact' SUV to buy,
> it's so nice to just step in and have the seat naturally be at
> arse-height, and step out and have the ground naturally be at the level
> my feet reach.

Exiting my Yaris is slightly easier than the AH Sprite I had but I was 
nimbler 50 years ago. The other drawback is the difficulty finding the 
thing in a parking lot full of pickups and SUVs or trying to see around 
them.

 
> I still haven't got used to the different visibility from the snub nose
> and slab sides though.

I wouldn't call it a snub nose but the hood line drops enough I can't see 
it. iirc the original Beetle was the same. When parallel parking I tend to 
leave a little too much room in front since I can't judge it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Chevrolet

Now there was a car. The twin shark fins were purely decorative but I used 
to imagine them as twin machine gun mounts to eliminate offending drivers. 
Real bumpers too, in case some idiot parked you in. 

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#70949

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
Message-ID<qof4qmx2vl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70914
On 2026-10-14 04:51, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:


...

>    DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
>    modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.
> 
>    And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !
> 
>    Intentional ?
> 
>    3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
>    a 'mid-sized' in the USA  :-)

The most packed-in engine I saw was in the Renault Super 5 Turbo, a kind 
of widow maker were it not the the owners were often too young. Drop a 
nut, it doesn't get to the ground.

I had basically the same car, but with just a 1.1 L engine, 42 "horses". 
They could put 3 engines like that in the same space. So with just one 
engine there was space for a full litter of kittens and another of dogs, 
2 month old, with room to spare.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#70958

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<nja134Fc9lcU33@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70949
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 16:21:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I had basically the same car, but with just a 1.1 L engine, 42 "horses".
> They could put 3 engines like that in the same space. So with just one
> engine there was space for a full litter of kittens and another of dogs,
> 2 month old, with room to spare.

Snowbirds tend to park their rigs for the winter and use a smaller car to 
get around. In the southwest when spring comes and they want to go back on 
the road they may have to evict packrats, rattlesnakes, and other tenants. 
The snakes require some care to extract but are preferable to the damn 
rats building a nest and chewing on components.

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#70919

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 04:56 +0000
Message-ID<nj8gclFc9lcU21@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70906
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 20:28:29 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
> pain!),
> and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone told me
> -
> was such that a small person could have stood in the engine compartment
> next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer bonnet.)

I had a Chrysler New Yorker with a straight eight. A family of small 
people could have lived in the engine compartment. I always like straight 
engines, all the plugs lined up in a neat row where you could get at them.

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#70928

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
Message-ID<1s2yoyi.tp1gookm3ta8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#70906
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

[...]
>That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
> pain!),

On that engine there was a thin sheet of metal between the inlet and
exhaust manifolds.  It was supposed to heat up quickly and evaporate any
petrol droplets that impinged on it, so making the 'choking' period very
short.  When a small hole burned through it and allowed exhaust gasses
to blow into the inlet manifold - also causing occasional backfires - it
took a long while to track down the fault.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#70918

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 04:48 +0000
Message-ID<nj8fs8Fc9lcU20@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70900
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 20:00:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.

I worked with a guy whose dream was to buy a Mercedes. He finally did get 
a 190D fintail. I thought the thing looked suspiciously like a Studebaker 
Lark but he was happy.

A classmate's father thought he had arrived when he bought a Humber Super 
Snipe. God only knows how he got it but it didn't do much for Eddie's 
street cred when he borrowed dad's car for a date.

My father-in-law had a thing for Checker Marathons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_Marathon. I will say you could hold 
a Cornell University style orgy in the backseat of those puppies.

Strange tastes.

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#70916

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
Message-ID<nj8evbFc9lcU19@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70896
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:47:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes, I
> do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.

I just finished Craig Stanfill's latest book 'Carbon Zero'. A researcher 
tasks her AI to reduce the carbon footprint to zero. The AI concludes 
exterminating the human race would be most effective. Chaos ensues.

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