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Re: OT - TV

Started by"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
First post2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Last post2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
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  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
    Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-27 09:39 +0100
        Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-28 08:08 +0100
    Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                      OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                        Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                        Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                    Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                      Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-09 15:27 +0100
                                        Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2026-10-10 09:23 +0100
                                          Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 10:37 +0100
                              Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
            Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
        Re: [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 22:22 +0200
    Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
        Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 15:56 +0100
              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 17:16 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:25 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 10:22 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:36 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:10 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:42 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                      Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-11 22:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:28 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:11 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 01:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 06:16 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:54 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:57 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:10 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:06 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:21 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:09 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:09 +1100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:31 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:21 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:08 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:23 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:47 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:28 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-14 00:32 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:08 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:04 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:56 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:07 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:59 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:16 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 23:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 03:21 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:18 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:42 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
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                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:31 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:48 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:54 +0000
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                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:14 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:00 -0500
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:19 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:01 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:44 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:25 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-13 11:21 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 16:55 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:05 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 09:57 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:16 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 21:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:51 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 23:14 -0400
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:54 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:32 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 14:57 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-15 16:45 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:22 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-15 17:24 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-16 14:04 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-16 18:31 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-17 11:53 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:53 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:55 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 18:18 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-19 13:54 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-19 15:36 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:44 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 10:45 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +1100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 12:03 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-12 12:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:27 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +1100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:57 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 15:44 +0100
                                                                    [OT] hybrids (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] hybrids liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 22:42 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-07 15:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-08 15:49 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:12 -0400
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:17 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-09 08:12 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 04:21 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 08:25 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-30 15:13 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:16 +0100
                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 13:29 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 18:08 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                  Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 10:32 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 09:41 +0100
                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:27 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                Re: OT - TV Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> - 2026-10-16 18:22 +0000
                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-16 20:32 +0100
                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:55 +0100
    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200

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#70796

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-10 04:21 +0100
Message-ID<11acavv$1clc3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70778
On 2026/10/9 8:12:41, Graham J wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>>>
>> If he's talking of "free" biomethane, I don't think he's talking about
>> growing (whatever is needed to make) it, I think he's talking about the
>> natural methane from rotting, which otherwise goes to waste (it's made
>> anyway, whether you want it or not). Whether there's enough from that
>> source to make any difference in the scheme of things, I'm dubious,
>> though as long as collecting it doesn't actually cost more than it
>> yields, I think it should be collected.
> 
> 
> We already pay for the collection and disposal (often in landfill) of 
> this material.  That - in the UK - is paid for out of your Council Tax 
> and the sewage component of your water bill.
> 
> Collection and processing in an anaerobic digester to generate methane 
> could well cost less than what we pay already, so the methane would, in 
> effect, be free.
> 
> 
I think we're on the same side here. Some local authorities - and I
_think_ it's an increasing number - do already have facilities to
collect that methane; most of the ones I've heard of, use it to make
electricity. Whether that produces much surplus once they've used some
of it to run the refuse facilities, I don't know - but, as I said,
unless it actually costs /more/, I'm in favour of doing it; as you say,
why not take something free (or free once you've done what you're
obliged to do anyway)?
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Astaire was, of course, peerless, but it's worth remembering that
Rogers does everything he does, only backwards and in high heels.
- Barry Norman in Radio Times 5-11 January 2013
(possibly quoting Faith Whittlesey)

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#70797

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-10 08:25 +0100
Message-ID<niu7k2Fd6vlU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70796
On 10/10/2026 04:21, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> I think we're on the same side here. Some local authorities - and I
> _think_ it's an increasing number - do already have facilities to
> collect that methane; most of the ones I've heard of, use it to make
> electricity. Whether that produces much surplus once they've used some
> of it to run the refuse facilities, I don't know - but, as I said,
> unless it actually costs /more/, I'm in favour of doing it; as you say,
> why not take something free (or free once you've done what you're
> obliged to do anyway)?
>
When I was at school in the 1960s, we visited the local sewage works, 
and we were told that they generated all their electricity on site using 
methane they made using an anaerobic digester, so this is no a new idea. 
There was no mention of any surplus power being fed back into the grid, 
but this was in the days when such a transaction would have been one 
government department helping another government department out.

They also sold the resulting solids to local farmers for fertiliser...

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#70763

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
Message-ID<nipeitFla45U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70748
On 2026-10-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been 
>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>
>> The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p
>>
> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise, 
>   harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.

Not really.

The goal of these subs is not being eco, but firing the engine while 
submerged, and without a snorkel.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#70735

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
Message-ID<11a3fas$2749n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70730
On Tue, 10/6/2026 12:51 PM, JMB99 wrote:
> Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks 
> but if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, 
> what happens if the battery is hit?

You fill out a requisition for a new battery :-)

Your A-Battery is on the left side of the vehicle,
your B-Battery is on the right side of the vehicle.
You use the transfer switch, from A to B. Lots of
military and enterprise devices, use 1+1 redundancy
for the hardware.

If you look at consumer passenger cars, two trim levels,
one can have "12 modules", the other can have "15 modules".
They are arranged in a slab, and the slab also functions
as a strength member for the vehicle. To work on
that is definitely garage material.

A military vehicle, will have servicing requirements
different than that. To do field service, like McGyver,
the arrangement has to be different.

You need "pretty secure" connections on the batteries
in cars. Inside a module, if using 18650 cells, you'd
want a cold spot welded conductor from one cell to the
next. They don't use nylon "battery holders" like
some of your old consumer goods used. If a connection
goes ohmic, that causes a hot spot in the battery chain.
Welding the batteries, now we just have to worry about
the connections at the module level. You might see
big fat cables in the picture.

A module should have a BMS, and the BMS should be able
to disable the module for some problem-classes. BMS come
as a circuit board, a tiny board in some applications,
a larger board where there is room for a larger board.
In some battery packs (the 56V pack for a lawn mower),
the BMS is covered in silicon seal to make it impossible
to get at (and fix).

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_management_system

A BMS doesn't have to be bussed, but it makes sense to
bus the status of them, for easy readout by the CANBUS
in the vehicle.

You can see there are some degrees of freedom in the design,
and a military solution could look a bit different than
the consumer car version. Battery maintenance hardly ever
happens on the consumer version, because if you make
a warranty claim... they will claim a replacement part
is not available and that's the end of it.

When you install a BEV battery, the installation must be
"blessed by a priest". It is not just a matter of screwing
some bits together, turning the key and driving away. The
parts are "registered" with the car, the dealership has
the device to perform a marriage. The ghetto mechanic
does not have that device. If you stick a new battery
in a car, without the marriage, the contactor will not
close and the battery will refuse to power the motors.
There's no reason the military version won't be doing
this too :-)

   Paul

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#70738

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
Message-ID<11a4qpv$2k8fk$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70730
On 06/10/2026 17:51, JMB99 wrote:
> Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks but 
> if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, what happens if the 
> battery is hit?
They catch fire and brew up
-- 
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman


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#70724

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
Message-ID<11a02np$sln7$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70721
On 05/10/2026 11:29, John Williamson wrote:
> On 05/10/2026 06:27, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/4/26 06:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> 
>>> I have these for on a boat:
>>>   250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
>>>
>>> Now in use as backup for my computers, as the UPS battery gave up after
>>> constantly coming in since the power company changed their meter for a
>>> 'smart'
>>> one and removed the connection of neutral to local ground,
>>> causing a voltage drop.
>>> So much for improvement, now you pay more for their cable losses??
>>>
>>> That battery pack runs microwave and fridge too if needed
>>> I have 3 large flexible solar panels for on a boat.
>>> And a small fixed 80 W one upstair in a window.
>>> Several solar powered flashights too, some with hand crank.
>>
>>
>>   LIPo batts CAN still explode for no obvious
>>   reason. Got a scar to prove it.
>>
> Lithium Polymer batteries are, as you say, prone to thermal runaway if 
> overcharged, run too flat or the day has a "y" in it. They are currently 
> used in phones, laptops, tablets, e-bikes and some cars.
> 
> LiFePO4 batteries, on the other hand are currently being used in many 
> thousands of boats as power supplies for the domestic stuff, and I have 
> yet to hear one report of an explosion or fire that was not started by 
> ancillary equipment. The cells are usually still intact after the fire. 
> You *can*, if you are determined enough, make the cells ignite by, say, 
> repeatedly using an ice pick to puncture them, but it needs to be a 
> metal pick, so that it shorts out the internal structures and even then, 
> as long as you stand upwind, the fumes won't hurt you.
> 
However they are heavier

>>   Future/NOW ... look into sodium batteries. Plenty
>>   on Amazon. Almost as good as LIPo bur DON'T blow
>>   up in your face and set everything on fire. Seems
>>   the usual charge circuits for lead-acid work fine
>>   for sodium, though sodium CAN be charged faster.
>>
> I just searched for "sodium battery" on Amazon UK. Not a single one in 
> the resuktys, but I *was* offered lead acid of various types, as well as 
> a number of Lithium based batteries of various tyoes.
> 
They are little different to lead acid. A tad lighter. Just as 
expensive. o no one is buying

> 
> 
> 

-- 
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism 
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, 
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and 
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' 
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for 
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet 
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that 
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian 
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

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#70727

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
Message-ID<11a1bi1$1eh48$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70719
On 2026/10/5 6:27:38, c186282 wrote:
[]
>    AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage
>    unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be
[]
I don't think you have to specify the "DC" part; AC storage is either
pumped water, or flywheels, neither of which are within the reach of
most home users!

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Money should enable life, not define worth.

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#70850

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
Message-ID<11aieim$3gp5r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70727
On 6/10/2026 10:23 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/5 6:27:38, c186282 wrote:
> []
>>     AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage
>>     unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be
> []
> I don't think you have to specify the "DC" part; AC storage is either
> pumped water, or flywheels, neither of which are within the reach of
> most home users!
> 
Hmm! My Solar Panels generate DC power which is stored in DC Batteries 
and then converted into AC to power my house or to be fed into the 
external Mains system.

No need, in this case, for Water or Flywheels.
-- 
Daniel70

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#70864

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
Message-ID<11aj6lp$3r12j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70850
On 2026/10/12 11:59:33, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 6/10/2026 10:23 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/5 6:27:38, c186282 wrote:
>> []
>>>     AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage
>>>     unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be
>> []
>> I don't think you have to specify the "DC" part; AC storage is either
>> pumped water, or flywheels, neither of which are within the reach of
>> most home users!
>>
> Hmm! My Solar Panels generate DC power which is stored in DC Batteries 
> and then converted into AC to power my house or to be fed into the 
> external Mains system.
> 
> No need, in this case, for Water or Flywheels.
Yes: DC storage (you actually said it yourself - "DC Batteries"),
followed by an inverter. You're not actually _storing_ AC.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

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#70702

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
Message-ID<119reoe$37dqq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70699
On 03/10/2026 15:59, John Williamson wrote:
> On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
>> DAMHIKT...
> 
> That needs a spark nearby
> 
Yes. Removing the battery charger was plenty.

-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#70703

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
Message-ID<119rtfl$3cufj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70696
On 2026/10/3 12:50:51, John Williamson wrote:
[]
> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the charge 
> between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the 
> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
> 
> 
Which won't recombine (except explosively), so reducing the amount of
electrolyte in the gassing cell, so reducing the capacity - which will
thus cause that cell to be the first to start gassing next time, i. e.
(slow) positive feedback. Whether this can be remedied by topping up the
affected cell(s), I do not know.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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#70704

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
Message-ID<119s9s8$3gl64$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70703
On Sat, 10/3/2026 5:52 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/3 12:50:51, John Williamson wrote:
> []
>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the charge 
>> between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the 
>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>
>>
> Which won't recombine (except explosively), so reducing the amount of
> electrolyte in the gassing cell, so reducing the capacity - which will
> thus cause that cell to be the first to start gassing next time, i. e.
> (slow) positive feedback. Whether this can be remedied by topping up the
> affected cell(s), I do not know.
> 

"The Basic Chemistry of Gas Recombination in Lead-Acid Batteries"

  https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0101/nelson-0101.html

It appears the process takes care of the oxygen.

   Paul

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#70709

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
Message-ID<119t1ip$3nfmp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70704
>Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>wrote:
>>On Sat, 10/3/2026 5:52 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/3 12:50:51, John Williamson wrote:
>> []
>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the charge 
>>> between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the 
>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>
>>>
>> Which won't recombine (except explosively), so reducing the amount of
>> electrolyte in the gassing cell, so reducing the capacity - which will
>> thus cause that cell to be the first to start gassing next time, i. e.
>> (slow) positive feedback. Whether this can be remedied by topping up the
>> affected cell(s), I do not know.
>> 
>
>"The Basic Chemistry of Gas Recombination in Lead-Acid Batteries"
>
>  https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0101/nelson-0101.html
>
>It appears the process takes care of the oxygen.
>
>   Paul

Thank you, nice link!

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#70710

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
Message-ID<nieh2gF1e64U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70703
On 03/10/2026 22:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/3 12:50:51, John Williamson wrote:
> []
>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the charge
>> between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>
>>
> Which won't recombine (except explosively), so reducing the amount of
> electrolyte in the gassing cell, so reducing the capacity - which will
> thus cause that cell to be the first to start gassing next time, i. e.
> (slow) positive feedback. Whether this can be remedied by topping up the
> affected cell(s), I do not know.
>
Some batteries have plugs with a catalyst which partially recombine the 
two into water, but mostly, we just add pure water (Distilled or 
de-ionised) after equalisation. For some applications such as electric 
vehicles, this is automated. These batteries can last much longer than 
sealed cells.

Lead acid batteries are not maintenance free, except in the limited 
sense that sealed cells with a catalytic cap can outlast the warranty 
period by a small margin with suitably controlled charging. Eventually, 
though, the lead in all lead acid batteries gets sulphated by the acid 
and needs to be reprocessed no matter what you do.

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#70640

FromRoderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk>
Date2026-09-30 15:13 +0100
Message-ID<iv5qbltcnrg3t63mdjnbqdlrmn4vmrvorr@4ax.com>
In reply to#70620
On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 11:23:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>> Its NOT juts a matter of impedance - its a matter of DC bias. You cannot 
>> build a
>> valve amplifier that delivers true AC without an isolation transformer. 
>> Loudspeakers don't like DC bias
>
>That's true also for transistors, and we don't normally use 
>transformers. We use capacitors.

You don't need an isolating capacitor in the output of a transistor
amplifier if it has a +/- power supply so that the output voltage has
a DC component of zero. You still need big capacitors, but audio isn't
going through them because they're smoothing the DC supply instead.

Rod.

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#70596

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-09-29 13:16 +0100
Message-ID<1s278ix.1exku2ij8p4zkN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#70594
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
> >> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way
> >> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket
> >> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had
> >> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could
> >> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably
> >> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio
> >> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I
> >> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
> 
> > Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there
> > are no 'P channel ' valves.
> 
> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require
> a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't
> want a loudspeaker.

The moving-iron loudspeakers were higher impedance and could be
connected directly into the anode circuit of a valve but the sound
quality was much poorer than a moving coil loudspeaker.  Some used a
large paper diaphragm, others used a small metal diaphragm with a horn
for acoustic impedance matching.  Some early horn loudspeakers were
little more than a high-impedance earphone joined to a horn.

Most post-1930s horn loudspeakers have a low impedance moving coil drive
unit and some have a matching transformer built into the back of the
housing.

Eddystone communication receivers still had a separate high impedance
headphone socket, in addition to loudspeaker connections, right up to
the last valve models.

-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#70602

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
Message-ID<119gmur$3e4ln$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70594
>Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>wrote:
>>On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way 
>>> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket 
>>> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had 
>>> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could 
>>> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably 
>>> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio 
>>> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I 
>>> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>
>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there 
>> are no 'P channel ' valves.
>
>I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require 
>a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't 
>want a loudspeaker.

Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.

Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm speaker:
 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png

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#70605

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
Message-ID<119go7i$3cdrk$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70602
On 29/09/2026 16:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way
>>>> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket
>>>> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had
>>>> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could
>>>> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably
>>>> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio
>>>> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I
>>>> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>
>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there
>>> are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>
>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require
>> a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't
>> want a loudspeaker.
> 
> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
> 
> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm speaker:
>   https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png

STAGGERINGLY inefficient circuit, but yes, it works.

-- 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to 
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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#70621

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
Message-ID<j91vomxksl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70602
On 2026-09-29 17:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way
>>>> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket
>>>> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had
>>>> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could
>>>> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably
>>>> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio
>>>> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I
>>>> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>
>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there
>>> are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>
>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require
>> a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't
>> want a loudspeaker.
> 
> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
> 
> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm speaker:
>   https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png

I'm not familiar with valves EZ80 and 6CA4, I don't understand the 
drawings. :-?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#70622

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
Message-ID<ni45lsFdufrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70621
On 30/09/2026 10:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-29 17:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:

>> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
>>
>> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm
>> speaker:
>>
>> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png
>>
>
> I'm not familiar with valves EZ80 and 6CA4, I don't understand the
> drawings. :-?
>
The EZZ80 and BCA4 valves are full wave rectifiers in the power supply. 
(Equivalent to two diodes in each  valve, with a tapped transformer 
secondary. Back when semiconductors were expensive, I've done similar 
with a pair of germanium diodes, as it was cheaper than a bridge 
rectifier.)i

The relevant stage for this thread is the output stage, which is two 
EL504 pentodes being driven in a sort of push-pull configuration by the 
input triode. The EL504s each have an independent DC supply.

The circuit specifies an 800 ohm load, but I first expected to see a 
more standard 600 ohm load...

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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