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Long-wave close down

Started byScott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
First post2026-06-27 17:40 +0100
Last post2026-06-30 23:33 +0200
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  Long-wave close down Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-06-27 17:40 +0100
    Re: Long-wave close down JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-06-27 18:29 +0100
      Re: Long-wave close down Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-06-27 19:49 +0100
    Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-27 19:35 +0100
    Re: Long-wave close down Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-06-28 09:59 +0100
      Re: Long-wave close down Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-06-28 10:33 +0100
        Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-28 12:47 +0100
          Re: Long-wave close down Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-06-28 13:45 +0000
            Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-28 18:44 +0100
              Re: Long-wave close down Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-06-30 23:06 +0200
        Re: Long-wave close down Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-06-30 13:24 +0100
      Re: Long-wave close down Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-06-28 09:45 +0000
        Re: Long-wave close down Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-06-28 15:58 +0100
          Re: Long-wave close down John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-28 16:14 +0100
            Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-28 18:11 +0100
              Re: Long-wave close down John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-06-28 21:56 +0100
                Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-28 22:59 +0100
                  Re: Long-wave close down tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> - 2026-06-29 22:46 +0100
                Re: Long-wave close down Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-06-29 08:15 +0000
                  Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-29 09:37 +0100
                    Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-29 20:17 +0100
                      Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-29 23:40 +0100
                        Re: Long-wave close down tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> - 2026-06-30 00:38 +0100
                          Re: Long-wave close down JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-06-30 07:46 +0100
                        Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-30 09:04 +0100
                          Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-30 09:39 +0100
                            Re: Long-wave close down Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-06-30 09:52 +0100
                            Re: Long-wave close down Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-06-30 13:25 +0100
                              Re: Long-wave close down Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-06-30 13:54 +0100
                                Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-30 17:46 +0100
                                  Re: Long-wave close down snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-07-01 04:08 +0100
                                    Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-01 08:01 +0100
                                    Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-01 10:18 +0100
                                      Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-01 10:59 +0100
                                      Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-01 13:29 +0100
                                        Re: Long-wave close down John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-07-01 13:57 +0100
                                        Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-01 15:02 +0100
                              Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-30 17:37 +0100
                                Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-30 17:54 +0100
                                Re: Long-wave close down Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-06-30 17:00 +0000
                                  Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-30 19:23 +0100
                                    Re: Long-wave close down Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-07-02 16:57 +0200
                                      Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-02 16:01 +0100
                                  Re: Long-wave close down Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-06-30 23:30 +0200
                                Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-30 19:18 +0100
                                  Re: Long-wave close down Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-07-02 17:08 +0200
                                Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-02 16:10 +0100
                            Re: Long-wave close down snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-07-01 04:08 +0100
                              Re: Long-wave close down "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-01 13:30 +0100
                          Re: Long-wave close down Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-06-30 10:21 +0100
                            Re: Long-wave close down liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-30 11:35 +0100
                          Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-30 10:28 +0100
                            Re: Long-wave close down Apd <not@all.invalid> - 2026-06-30 12:22 +0100
                              Re: Long-wave close down Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-30 12:28 +0100
                                Re: Long-wave close down Apd <not@all.invalid> - 2026-06-30 13:19 +0100
      Re: Long-wave close down Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-06-30 23:33 +0200

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#70296

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-06-30 19:23 +0100
Message-ID<naiftoFdrvmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70292
Charles Hope wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Max Demian wrote:
>>
>>> The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning 
>>> (30 June); I don't know what time.
>>
>> Nothing left on LW band now ...
>
> even in Russia?

I meant that could be received here, maybe more shows up after dark?

I noticed one frequency with white noise plus a few bleeps and bloops 
right at the bottom of what my portable radio reaches.

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#70314

FromRink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl>
Date2026-07-02 16:57 +0200
Message-ID<1125u8n$2lv5k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70296
Op 30-6-2026 om 20:23 schreef Andy Burns:
> Charles Hope wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Max Demian wrote:
>>>
>>>> The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning 
>>>> (30 June); I don't know what time.
>>>
>>> Nothing left on LW band now ...
>>
>> even in Russia?
> 
> I meant that could be received here, maybe more shows up after dark?
> 
> I noticed one frequency with white noise plus a few bleeps and bloops 
> right at the bottom of what my portable radio reaches.
> 


That's Allouis, France om 162 kHz.
As far as I know they are sending signals for clocks on railway stations.
(and no radio program)

Rink

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#70315

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-07-02 16:01 +0100
Message-ID<nancraF8f1uU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70314
Rink wrote:

> schreef Andy Burns:
>
>> I noticed one frequency with white noise 
> 
> That's Allouis, France om 162 kHz.
> As far as I know they are sending signals for clocks on railway stations.
Yes, tuning LED pretty much confirms that.

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#70298

FromRink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl>
Date2026-06-30 23:30 +0200
Message-ID<1121ci5$1ee40$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70292
Op 30-6-2026 om 17:00 schreef Charles Hope:
> On 30/06/2026 17:37, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Max Demian wrote:
>>
>>> The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning 
>>> (30 June); I don't know what time.
>>
>> Nothing left on LW band now ...
>>
> even in Russia?


Many, many years ago (2014):

<https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-25683656>

Today I only hear one radio program on longwave:
252 from Algeria in French language

And the French carrier on 162, no radio program.


Here you can find all LW transmitters in Europe and Africa:
<http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php>

153 Rumania & Algeria
171 Marocco
225 Poland
252 Algeria

small transmitters are planned in Italy (207) and Finland (252).

There are also 5 LW transmitters in Mongolia:
<http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=2&kHz=0>
Still on frequencies from the 70's......

Rink

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#70295

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-06-30 19:18 +0100
Message-ID<112119j$16vs8$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70289
On 2026/6/30 17:37:26, Andy Burns wrote:
> Max Demian wrote:
> 
>> The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30 
>> June); I don't know what time.
> 
> Nothing left on LW band now ...
> 
From discussions on YouTube, I gather there are about three stations in
north Africa (such as Morocco) that are receivable; there was also some
mention of a station in Europe (Poland?), but that only operates at
certain hours, not 24h.

I remember a French station that had FM (not audible on an ordinary
envelope-detector set) time pulses on it (rather like MSF-Rugby or the
German one) as well as ordinary AM programme material, and that was on
LW, but probably ceased decades ago.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, as Windows crashed into piglet.

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#70316

FromRink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl>
Date2026-07-02 17:08 +0200
Message-ID<1125usr$2m6d5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70295
Op 30-6-2026 om 20:18 schreef J. P. Gilliver:
> On 2026/6/30 17:37:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Max Demian wrote:
>>
>>> The message, and the 198 kHz carrier, stopped some time this morning (30
>>> June); I don't know what time.
>>
>> Nothing left on LW band now ...
>>
>  From discussions on YouTube, I gather there are about three stations in
> north Africa (such as Morocco) that are receivable; there was also some
> mention of a station in Europe (Poland?), but that only operates at
> certain hours, not 24h.
> 
> I remember a French station that had FM (not audible on an ordinary
> envelope-detector set) time pulses on it (rather like MSF-Rugby or the
> German one) as well as ordinary AM programme material, and that was on
> LW, but probably ceased decades ago.
> 


Tuesday I only heard one radio program on longwave:
252 from Algeria in French language

And the French carrier on 162, no radio program.


Here you can find all LW transmitters in Europe and Africa:
<http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php>

153 Rumania & Algeria
171 Marocco
225 Poland
252 Algeria

small transmitters are planned in Italy (207) and Finland (252).

There are also 5 LW transmitters in Mongolia:
<http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=2&kHz=0>
Still on frequencies from the 70's......

Rink

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#70317

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-07-02 16:10 +0100
Message-ID<nandaqF8hd5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70289
Andy Burns wrote:

> Nothing left on LW band now ...
Some 1Hz pips seem to have moved in on R4's vacated slot, very weak.

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#70300

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2026-07-01 04:08 +0100
Message-ID<1rxjtts.oqrt8r1xl52u1N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#70276
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
> On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
> to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
> have all the teleswitches been replaced?
[...]

This mention of teleswitch service termination reminds me that back 
in the day (60+ years ago, when I were a lad) Droitwich was still on
200 kc/s (Hertz hadn't yet been invented) and the frequency was very
closely controlled so that it could be used as a standard.  

I recall a homebrew project in the RSGB Bulletin for a circuit using
that 200 kc/s signal to provide calibration for a frequency meter as
required by the amateur radio license.

That facility was lost when the 200 kc/s service was obliged to shift to
198 kHz under the new band plan.  I blame the Common Market.

-- 
^Ï^.    Sn!pe, bird-brain.      All that was old is new again. 

                 My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#70310

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-07-01 13:30 +0100
Message-ID<112319j$16vs8$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70300
On 2026/7/1 4:8:19, Sn!pe wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> [...]
>> On Tuesday (oh - that's today), are we expecting the actual transmitters
>> to be turned off, or just the loop announcement? If the transmitters,
>> have all the teleswitches been replaced?
> [...]
> 
> This mention of teleswitch service termination reminds me that back 
> in the day (60+ years ago, when I were a lad) Droitwich was still on
> 200 kc/s (Hertz hadn't yet been invented) and the frequency was very
> closely controlled so that it could be used as a standard.  
> 
> I recall a homebrew project in the RSGB Bulletin for a circuit using
> that 200 kc/s signal to provide calibration for a frequency meter as
> required by the amateur radio license.
> 
> That facility was lost when the 200 kc/s service was obliged to shift to
> 198 kHz under the new band plan.  I blame the Common Market.
> 
The frequency accuracy was retained when it moved to 198; it was just
more complicated to design standards derived from it.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

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#70278

FromRoderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk>
Date2026-06-30 10:21 +0100
Message-ID<rh274ldb9ibdsegp8j4ag9da1vh9tbec5g@4ax.com>
In reply to#70273
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:36 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
>unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
>them.]

Same here, Forte Agent on Windows 11. I've tried various settings but
the messages look encrypted in some way and I can't resolve them.

Rod.

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#70282

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-06-30 11:35 +0100
Message-ID<1rxilfc.upndna3azutrN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#70278
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:36 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
> >[Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
> >unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
> >them.]
> 
> Same here, Forte Agent on Windows 11. I've tried various settings but
> the messages look encrypted in some way and I can't resolve them.

The standard for Usenet is ASCII so this problem shouldn't occur.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#70280

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-06-30 10:28 +0100
Message-ID<nahgiiF8ocrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70273
Liz Tuddenham wrote:

> [Sorry to use J.P.Gilliver's post to reply to Andy but Andy's posts are
> unreadable on my newsreader, so I have to wait for someone else to quote
> them.]

Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64 
encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.

> From those bearings it looks almost certain to be coming from Droitwich.
> A friend in Colchester has told me that the transmissions are nulling on
> an approximately E-W line, so that would also point in the general
> direction of Droitwich.
I found a website that lets you draw on google maps and gives you 
distance(s) and bearing(s), which claims it should be 247 degrees, 
rather than 242 as I took from my compass, I didn't  worry about 
adjusting for magnetic north as I thought that was negligible recently?

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#70283

FromApd <not@all.invalid>
Date2026-06-30 12:22 +0100
Message-ID<11208t2$114ii$1@apd.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#70280
Andy Burns wrote:
>Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64 
>encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.

See this:
<https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>

Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set
"mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of 
settings).

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#70284

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-06-30 12:28 +0100
Message-ID<nahnibF9srtU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70283
Apd wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> >> Sorry, Thunderbird gets fooled into thinking it needs to use base64
>> encoding for "weird" characters, like the degree symbol.
> 
> See this:
> <https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>
> 
> Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set
> "mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of
> settings).

Yes I'm aware of the combination of settings, unfortunately you can't 
make everyone happy all of the time

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#70285

FromApd <not@all.invalid>
Date2026-06-30 13:19 +0100
Message-ID<1120c7t$12g5g$1@apd.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#70284
Andy Burns wrote:
>Apd wrote:
>> See this:
>> <https://usenet.id/n9pkciFcat2U1@mid.individual.net>
>> 
>> Since you are using "format=flowed" you probably need to set
>> "mail.strictly_mime" to false in the config editor (at the bottom of
>> settings).
>
>Yes I'm aware of the combination of settings, unfortunately you can't 
>make everyone happy all of the time

Usenet text messages should never be encoded as base64 so I see no 
reason why you wouldn't set this. I think mine was already set to false 
by default after installation. If encoding of 8-bit is wanted TB should 
use quoted printable which is at least readable.

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#70299

FromRink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl>
Date2026-06-30 23:33 +0200
Message-ID<1121cnu$1effs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70227
Op 28-6-2026 om 10:59 schreef Max Demian:
> On 27/06/2026 17:40, Scott wrote:
>> I listened to the 'loop' on 198 kHz this this morning. Two comments:
>> 1. I did not recognise the 'presenter'. Is he a BBC man or maybe an
>> Arqiva employee?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-aMKDiaO74
> 
>> 2.  The signal seemed weak and electrical interference was
>> particularly bad. I wonder if they have reduced the power of the
>> transmitters - or even closed Westerglen and Burghead, leaving
>> Droitwich as the only transmitting station in operation?
> 
> There were crackles but they seem to have stopped now. Maybe thunderstorms.
> 


We had a huge thunderstorm in The Netherlands on Sunday evening & night.
I could that one on 198 Sunday afternoon.

Rink

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