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| Started by | "billy bookcase" <bily@anon.com> |
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| First post | 2026-06-29 07:19 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-06-29 20:52 +0100 |
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In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <bily@anon.com> - 2026-06-29 07:19 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 08:44 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 08:10 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 09:33 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-29 08:52 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 12:09 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-29 11:32 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 12:53 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-29 12:35 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 14:50 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-29 12:38 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 14:47 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-29 14:17 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 18:12 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-29 21:27 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-29 22:50 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 23:57 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 17:40 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:57 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-06-30 18:57 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 16:58 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-01 16:14 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 22:04 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-01 22:25 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 08:33 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-02 09:07 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 13:41 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-02 13:41 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-02 16:13 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 16:26 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-02 16:06 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 13:52 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-03 12:58 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 12:00 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 13:16 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-04 12:55 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 14:23 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-01 20:09 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 22:05 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 22:11 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 22:08 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 08:35 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Adam Funk <a24061a@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:53 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 12:02 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Adam Funk <a24061a@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-04 12:28 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 14:16 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 20:55 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-29 12:49 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 12:56 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-29 20:10 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 21:31 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 08:09 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 09:26 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 10:29 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 10:33 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 10:52 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 11:56 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 13:35 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 14:24 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 14:47 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 15:27 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 16:00 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:01 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-30 15:26 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:10 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-30 17:26 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 19:23 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 21:12 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:21 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-30 09:44 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 11:19 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-30 10:51 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 12:01 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 13:21 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-30 12:34 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 14:33 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-30 14:05 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 15:21 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-06-30 14:53 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-30 14:02 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-06-30 15:24 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-30 15:08 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-06-30 16:40 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-30 15:54 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:34 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 20:30 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-30 19:56 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:49 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-30 22:33 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 07:55 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-30 16:29 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:55 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-06-30 21:06 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-30 21:34 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 23:00 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-07-01 07:54 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-07-01 08:27 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 08:53 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-07-01 09:20 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 09:51 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-07-01 08:54 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-07-01 13:35 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-07-01 14:01 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-07-01 14:53 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 16:00 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-07-01 15:20 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-07-02 07:48 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-07-01 07:43 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 09:02 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:56 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-01 07:46 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 09:05 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:32 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 17:20 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 15:41 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 16:55 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 20:50 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:52 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 19:26 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-30 20:16 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-06-30 19:54 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:42 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:31 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-06-30 21:35 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-30 22:48 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-01 07:48 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 08:56 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 13:30 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-07-01 15:39 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 09:44 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-06-29 16:09 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 16:36 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 18:43 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 18:51 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 21:14 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> - 2026-06-29 10:15 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 12:43 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-06-29 16:06 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 16:44 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 16:45 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 18:03 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 18:00 +0100
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 18:33 +0000
Re: In anticipation of Normans' next whinge Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-06-29 20:52 +0100
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| From | Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 18:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nafmrbFo769U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69919 |
On 29/06/2026 17:45, Roger Hayter wrote: > On 29 Jun 2026 at 17:44:35 BST, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote: > >> On 29 Jun 2026 at 16:06:18 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 29/06/2026 08:44 AM, Norman Wells wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/06/2026 07:19, billy bookcase wrote: >>> >>>>> In his latest rejected post Norman states thge following >>>> >>>>> quote >>>>>> When you refer to the law that exists in black and white (as I have, in >>>>>> accordance with what this group is about) and cite the provision that >>>>>> you say entitles someone to take anything without paying and without >>>>>> permission from its owner then I'll believe it is not theft. >>>>> :unquote >>>> >>>>> Whereas what the law actually states is >>>> >>>>> quote: >>>>> 1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property >>>>> belonging to another >>>>> *with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it;* >>>>> and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed >>>>> accordingly. >>>>> :unquote >>>> >>>>> https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft >>>> >>>>> Roland insiste that he contacted the supplier on numerous ocassions >>>>> requesting a bill >>>>> The only possible inference any reasonable person can draw from that >>>>> is that far from "permanently depriving" the gas company of anything >>>> >>>> No, 'permanently depriving' the other of the property means not giving >>>> it back. The gas was used. It could not be handed back. >>> >>> Isn't there a specific offence of (dishonest) "abstraction" of energy, >>> possibly because of that very point? >>> >>> [ ... ] >> >> There is for electricity, probably because it is an intangible source of >> energy. Gas is a thing, so I don't think there is any difficulty about it >> being stolen and then destroyed - indeed it could be stolen and stored, though >> that would probably be a more serious offence. We need to look at the statutes >> governing utilities and see if they override the law of theft in any way. >> They probably do. > > Well actually we probably don't, because Norman is simply talking nonsense as > usual. Thank you for the gratuitous, unnecessary and completely mistaken ad hom. Do you ever support anything you say or post anything of any value?
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| From | Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nafmkpFo769U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69918 |
On 29/06/2026 17:44, Roger Hayter wrote: > On 29 Jun 2026 at 16:06:18 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: > >> On 29/06/2026 08:44 AM, Norman Wells wrote: >> >>> On 29/06/2026 07:19, billy bookcase wrote: >> >>>> In his latest rejected post Norman states thge following >>> >>>> quote >>>>> When you refer to the law that exists in black and white (as I have, in >>>>> accordance with what this group is about) and cite the provision that >>>>> you say entitles someone to take anything without paying and without >>>>> permission from its owner then I'll believe it is not theft. >>>> :unquote >>> >>>> Whereas what the law actually states is >>> >>>> quote: >>>> 1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property >>>> belonging to another >>>> *with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it;* >>>> and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed >>>> accordingly. >>>> :unquote >>> >>>> https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft >>> >>>> Roland insiste that he contacted the supplier on numerous ocassions >>>> requesting a bill >>>> The only possible inference any reasonable person can draw from that >>>> is that far from "permanently depriving" the gas company of anything >>> >>> No, 'permanently depriving' the other of the property means not giving >>> it back. The gas was used. It could not be handed back. >> >> Isn't there a specific offence of (dishonest) "abstraction" of energy, >> possibly because of that very point? >> >> [ ... ] > > There is for electricity, probably because it is an intangible source of > energy. Gas is a thing, so I don't think there is any difficulty about it > being stolen and then destroyed - indeed it could be stolen and stored, though > that would probably be a more serious offence. We need to look at the statutes > governing utilities and see if they override the law of theft in any way. > They probably do. They don't. Of course they don't, except possibly as regards the supply of water which is necessary for life.
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| From | Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 18:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5801054433.62141a70@uninhabited.net> |
| In reply to | #69920 |
On 29 Jun 2026 at 18:00:09 BST, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote: > On 29/06/2026 17:44, Roger Hayter wrote: >> On 29 Jun 2026 at 16:06:18 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 29/06/2026 08:44 AM, Norman Wells wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/06/2026 07:19, billy bookcase wrote: >>> >>>>> In his latest rejected post Norman states thge following >>>> >>>>> quote >>>>>> When you refer to the law that exists in black and white (as I have, in >>>>>> accordance with what this group is about) and cite the provision that >>>>>> you say entitles someone to take anything without paying and without >>>>>> permission from its owner then I'll believe it is not theft. >>>>> :unquote >>>> >>>>> Whereas what the law actually states is >>>> >>>>> quote: >>>>> 1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property >>>>> belonging to another >>>>> *with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it;* >>>>> and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed >>>>> accordingly. >>>>> :unquote >>>> >>>>> https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft >>>> >>>>> Roland insiste that he contacted the supplier on numerous ocassions >>>>> requesting a bill >>>>> The only possible inference any reasonable person can draw from that >>>>> is that far from "permanently depriving" the gas company of anything >>>> >>>> No, 'permanently depriving' the other of the property means not giving >>>> it back. The gas was used. It could not be handed back. >>> >>> Isn't there a specific offence of (dishonest) "abstraction" of energy, >>> possibly because of that very point? >>> >>> [ ... ] >> >> There is for electricity, probably because it is an intangible source of >> energy. Gas is a thing, so I don't think there is any difficulty about it >> being stolen and then destroyed - indeed it could be stolen and stored, though >> that would probably be a more serious offence. We need to look at the statutes >> governing utilities and see if they override the law of theft in any way. >> They probably do. > > They don't. Of course they don't, except possibly as regards the supply > of water which is necessary for life. I really think you should read the rules before making such an arbitrary assertion. -- Roger Hayter
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| From | Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 20:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nag0okFo76aU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69924 |
On 29/06/2026 19:33, Roger Hayter wrote: > On 29 Jun 2026 at 18:00:09 BST, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote: > >> On 29/06/2026 17:44, Roger Hayter wrote: >>> On 29 Jun 2026 at 16:06:18 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/06/2026 08:44 AM, Norman Wells wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29/06/2026 07:19, billy bookcase wrote: >>>> >>>>>> In his latest rejected post Norman states thge following >>>>> >>>>>> quote >>>>>>> When you refer to the law that exists in black and white (as I have, in >>>>>>> accordance with what this group is about) and cite the provision that >>>>>>> you say entitles someone to take anything without paying and without >>>>>>> permission from its owner then I'll believe it is not theft. >>>>>> :unquote >>>>> >>>>>> Whereas what the law actually states is >>>>> >>>>>> quote: >>>>>> 1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property >>>>>> belonging to another >>>>>> *with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it;* >>>>>> and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed >>>>>> accordingly. >>>>>> :unquote >>>>> >>>>>> https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/crossheading/definition-of-theft >>>>> >>>>>> Roland insiste that he contacted the supplier on numerous ocassions >>>>>> requesting a bill >>>>>> The only possible inference any reasonable person can draw from that >>>>>> is that far from "permanently depriving" the gas company of anything >>>>> >>>>> No, 'permanently depriving' the other of the property means not giving >>>>> it back. The gas was used. It could not be handed back. >>>> >>>> Isn't there a specific offence of (dishonest) "abstraction" of energy, >>>> possibly because of that very point? >>>> >>>> [ ... ] >>> >>> There is for electricity, probably because it is an intangible source of >>> energy. Gas is a thing, so I don't think there is any difficulty about it >>> being stolen and then destroyed - indeed it could be stolen and stored, though >>> that would probably be a more serious offence. We need to look at the statutes >>> governing utilities and see if they override the law of theft in any way. >>> They probably do. >> >> They don't. Of course they don't, except possibly as regards the supply >> of water which is necessary for life. > > I really think you should read the rules before making such an arbitrary > assertion. It's your proposition, yours to prove. But I think you'll find I'm right, as usual.
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