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  the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> - 2016-05-19 10:11 +0000
    Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> - 2016-05-19 10:27 +0000
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-05-19 12:33 +0200
        Re: the "unnameable"... Vidcapper <vidcapper1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-05-19 14:54 +0100
    Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Dan S. MacAbre" <no@way.com> - 2016-05-19 11:37 +0100
    Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> - 2016-05-19 13:08 +0100
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-05-19 14:24 +0200
    Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Norman Rowling <geegaaxx@virgin.net> - 2016-05-19 14:30 +0100
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish frederick <fakeemail@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 12:01 +0100
        Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> - 2016-05-20 11:47 +0000
    Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Barclay Weir <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-05-19 16:33 +0100
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Dan S. MacAbre" <no@way.com> - 2016-05-19 17:53 +0100
        Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 18:13 +0100
          Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Dan S. MacAbre" <no@way.com> - 2016-05-19 22:11 +0100
            Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 10:44 +0100
              Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Dan S. MacAbre" <no@way.com> - 2016-05-20 11:38 +0100
                Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 15:02 +0100
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish "Ophelia" <OphElsinore@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 18:11 +0100
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> - 2016-05-19 18:45 +0000
      Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Juan Carr <juan.carr@gmx.com> - 2016-05-19 19:57 +0100
        Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Barclay Weir <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-05-19 20:40 +0100
        Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-05-20 10:19 +0200
          Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> - 2016-05-20 10:06 +0100
            Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-05-20 11:15 +0200
              Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> - 2016-05-22 17:09 +0100
            Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> - 2016-05-20 11:44 +0000
              Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> - 2016-05-22 13:35 +0100
                Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-05-22 14:49 +0200
                  Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> - 2016-05-22 22:51 +0100
                    Re: the "unnameable" Elton John and David Furnish abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-05-23 00:35 +0200

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#3845

On 19/05/16 19:57, Juan Carr wrote:
> In article <dq64m8Fs9t9U1@mid.individual.net>, nobody@nowhere.invalid
> says...
>>
>> You have named the "unnameable". Do you live abroad?
>
> I fail to see the relevance?
>
> Unless you are suggesting that every single UK citizen is supposed to be
> aware of every single piece of legislation that is passed.
>
> In which case, it gets thrown out on the grounds of being unenforceable.
>
> And, no, "ignorance of the law is no defence" doesn't work.
>
> Unless we're actually living in North Korea.
>
> Well......are we?
>

The relevance, Juan, is that these "injunctions" are only applicable and 
enforceable (see my earlier caveat in relation to Ophelia's question) in 
England (and Wales). You have actually put your finger on the whole 
point - I am a UK citizen living not in North Korea but in the UK - just 
not in England. Hence the question to the OP.
Indeed this raises the whole question about the Supreme Court (a Blair 
fantasy), how can it rule on the applicability of laws only enforceable 
in part of the UK? Just asking.

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#3847

On Thu, 19 May 2016 19:57:32 +0100, Juan Carr <juan.carr@gmx.com>
wrote:

>In article <dq64m8Fs9t9U1@mid.individual.net>, nobody@nowhere.invalid 
>says...
>> 
>> You have named the "unnameable". Do you live abroad? 
>
>I fail to see the relevance?
>
>Unless you are suggesting that every single UK citizen is supposed to be 
>aware of every single piece of legislation that is passed.
>
>In which case, it gets thrown out on the grounds of being unenforceable.
>
>And, no, "ignorance of the law is no defence" doesn't work.
>
>Unless we're actually living in North Korea.
>
>Well......are we?

'law' in an oppressive country is crafted so's there is just about
    always something you can be attacked with...

that is particularly true if you have no constitutional constrictions
    on government...which is the case in the uk...and most everywhere
    else...

i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing
     a uk bill of rights


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#3848

abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:

> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing
>      a uk bill of rights

The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.  One, because
basic civil and political rights are anathema to right-wing governments,
and always have been - from Hitler all the way down to Cameron. 

But more important, any such 'bill of rights' would not be worth the paper
it was written on.  

Y.
-- 
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
	'I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence. Really, I
	don't think that we can sit back and watch Arabs throwing rocks at
	buses whenever they feel like it. They must understand that a bomb
	thrown at a Jewish bus is going to mean a bomb thrown at an Arab
	bus...'
	(Meir Kahane (1932 - 1990))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>	
<http://thereligionofpeace.com/>

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#3849

On Fri, 20 May 2016 10:06:46 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
<yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
>
>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing
>>      a uk bill of rights
>
>The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.

he is carrying out other promises...remember, he isn't a socialist
    who therefore lies for practice...

but your mind reading skills will doubtless be lauded by your fellow
    cultists...

or perhaps you don't understand what 'commitment means

>  One, because
>basic civil and political rights are anathema to right-wing governments,
>and always have been - from Hitler all the way down to Cameron. 

you are getting confused, adolf was of course a 'man' of the left

>But more important, any such 'bill of rights' would not be worth the paper
>it was written on.  

and now you also want to read tea-leaves....

surely you could do better? surely??

so...for this one post...
you believe you can discern the future...
you believe you can read minds...
you don't understand basic politics...
and you don't know the meaning of english words...

and you wonder how you got to be class clown!!


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#3858

abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2016 10:06:46 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:

>>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing
>>>      a uk bill of rights
>>
>>The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.
 
> he is carrying out other promises...

The only 'promise' that he is carrying out is the one he made to his banker
and arms dealer friends to make them richer at the expense of the majority
of the UK.  

> remember, he isn't a socialist
>     who therefore lies for practice...

To those on other groups: the above is the usual infantile fare that we on
uk.politics.misc have to suffer from this insane rightard troll.  We're
used to it, but I shall snip crossposts, to save you having to read the
words of an imbecile who blames 'socialism' for everything from the
extintion of the dinosaurs, through the last age and everything up to the
present day via the eruption of Mount St Helen's. 

{ binned unread to save you any more embarrassment }

Y.

-- 
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
	'I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence. Really, I
	don't think that we can sit back and watch Arabs throwing rocks at
	buses whenever they feel like it. They must understand that a bomb
	thrown at a Jewish bus is going to mean a bomb thrown at an Arab
	bus...'
	(Meir Kahane (1932 - 1990))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>	
<http://thereligionofpeace.com/>

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#3853

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote in
news:6m031d-456.ln1@server.com.il: 

> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
> 
>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing
>>      a uk bill of rights
> 
> The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.

Yes it is - in its recent statement of its legislative programme, read out 
by the monarch.

Whether it would be worth the paper it's written on is another matter.

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#3856

Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> wrote:
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote in
> news:6m031d-456.ln1@server.com.il: 
>> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:

>>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing a uk
>>> bill of rights

>> The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.
 
> Yes it is - in its recent statement of its legislative programme, read
> out by the monarch.
> 
> Whether it would be worth the paper it's written on is another matter.

Which was my point.  Cameron is a proven liar.  Why should this 'promise'
be any different from the others he has made and broken? 

Y.
-- 
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
	'I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence. Really, I
	don't think that we can sit back and watch Arabs throwing rocks at
	buses whenever they feel like it. They must understand that a bomb
	thrown at a Jewish bus is going to mean a bomb thrown at an Arab
	bus...'
	(Meir Kahane (1932 - 1990))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>	
<http://thereligionofpeace.com/>

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#3857

On Sun, 22 May 2016 13:35:12 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
<yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> wrote:
>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote in
>> news:6m031d-456.ln1@server.com.il: 
>>> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
>
>>>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing a uk
>>>> bill of rights
>
>>> The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.
> 
>> Yes it is - in its recent statement of its legislative programme, read
>> out by the monarch.
>> 
>> Whether it would be worth the paper it's written on is another matter.
>
>Which was my point.  Cameron is a proven liar.  Why should this 'promise'
>be any different from the others he has made and broken? 

i look forward to your list...

or i'll just have to guess that is just another lie towards
    your monthly quota



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#3859

abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2016 13:35:12 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> 
>>Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> wrote:
>>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote in
>>> news:6m031d-456.ln1@server.com.il: 
>>>> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing a uk
>>>>> bill of rights
>>
>>>> The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.
>> 
>>> Yes it is - in its recent statement of its legislative programme, read
>>> out by the monarch.
>>> 
>>> Whether it would be worth the paper it's written on is another matter.
>>
>>Which was my point.  Cameron is a proven liar.  Why should this 'promise'
>>be any different from the others he has made and broken? 
> 
> i look forward to your list...

I have already provided it - the first time I did so, being 01 October 2014
in the thread, 'Cameron's Lies start 'now'... 

	'September 2010, he claimed that the Royal Colleges of General
	Practitioners, Physicians and Nursing supported his health "reforms".
	Lie.  They all opposed it.

	June 2011, he said, "We will not endanger universal coverage - we will
	make sure it remains a National Health Service".  Lie.  The NHS is
	currently being broken up into "GP Commissioning Groups".

	Before the last general election, he promised 3000 more midwives.  Lie.
	The numbers have been reduced by 3%.  

	January 2012, Prime Minister's Question Time, he claimed that there are
	more people in work than at the previous election.  Lie.  The Office
	for National Statistics reported at that time that the number in work
	had fallen by 26,000 since the election.  

	He also claimed that the number of children living in "workless"
	households had doubled under the Labour government.  Lie.  The Office
	for National Statistics showed that the numbers of children in
	households where no one worked fell by 372,000 between April-June 1997
	and April-June 2010...'  

But your standard response is to dodge. 

And that's what you're about to do now. 

Y.
-- 
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
	'I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence. Really, I
	don't think that we can sit back and watch Arabs throwing rocks at
	buses whenever they feel like it. They must understand that a bomb
	thrown at a Jewish bus is going to mean a bomb thrown at an Arab
	bus...'
	(Meir Kahane (1932 - 1990))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>	
<http://thereligionofpeace.com/>

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#3860

On Sun, 22 May 2016 22:51:02 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
<yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 May 2016 13:35:12 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>> <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> 
>>>Harold Davis <this@is.not.a.real.email.address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote in
>>>> news:6m031d-456.ln1@server.com.il: 
>>>>> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> i'm glad to see the cameron government is committed to introducing a uk
>>>>>> bill of rights
>>>
>>>>> The 'Cameron government' is 'committed' to no such thing.
>>> 
>>>> Yes it is - in its recent statement of its legislative programme, read
>>>> out by the monarch.
>>>> 
>>>> Whether it would be worth the paper it's written on is another matter.
>>>
>>>Which was my point.  Cameron is a proven liar.  Why should this 'promise'
>>>be any different from the others he has made and broken? 
>> 
>> i look forward to your list...
>
>I have already provided it - the first time I did so, being 01 October 2014
>in the thread, 'Cameron's Lies start 'now'... 
>
>	'September 2010, he claimed that the Royal Colleges of General
>	Practitioners, Physicians and Nursing supported his health "reforms".
>	Lie.  They all opposed it.

1)liar
2)no such person...

>	June 2011, he said, "We will not endanger universal coverage - we will
>	make sure it remains a National Health Service".  Lie.  The NHS is
>	currently being broken up into "GP Commissioning Groups".

weak
>	Before the last general election, he promised 3000 more midwives.  Lie.
>	The numbers have been reduced by 3%.  

1)cite
2)by what date?

>	January 2012, Prime Minister's Question Time, he claimed that there are
>	more people in work than at the previous election.  Lie.  The Office
>	for National Statistics reported at that time that the number in work
>	had fallen by 26,000 since the election.  

don't talk rot...please

>	He also claimed that the number of children living in "workless"
>	households had doubled under the Labour government.  Lie.  The Office
>	for National Statistics showed that the numbers of children in
>	households where no one worked fell by 372,000 between April-June 1997
>	and April-June 2010...'  

i don't believe you.....but that's ok...

>But your standard response is to dodge. 
>
>And that's what you're about to do now. 

already done...
good to see you are referring to the time when he had no majority
   ...i suppose you didn't expect anyone to notice your lies
   your vacuous arrogance is a joy to watch...

now redo your home work



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