Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users

From	Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>
Newsgroups	uk.d-i-y
Subject	Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users
Date	2016-01-16 20:32 +0000
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On 16/01/16 16:09, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo <n7d2tb$nkp$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Adrian
> <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> escribió:
>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:06:34 +0000, Jonno wrote:
>>
>>> The next generation of Intel processors 'Skylake' will only support
>>> Windows 10.  There's no mention of Linux support in the article above.
>>
>> What you mean is that MS will only release Win10 drivers for the Skylake-
>> based chipsets, not for Win8 etc.
>
> But they (M$) /don't/ write the drivers.  The hardware (cpu, chipset)
> makers supply a set of basic drivers to M$ which are WHQL tested then
> added to the hardware device information repository so that Windows can
> install the correct drivers during installation.  They tend to be very
> vanilla with no bells or whistles, just enough to get the hardware
> recognised and initialised.
>
> So, as far as I can see, the problem is Intel is refusing to produce
> Skylake (and supporting chipset) drivers for OSes pre-dating Windows 10.
> I wouldn't be at all surprised if there has been a cosy little shack-up
> between Intel and M$ to deliberately not support older OSes so that M$
> benefits from a larger Win10 install base.  God knows they're pushing it
> hard enough.

Not only that. Some other forcing going on....

A very popular Intel chipset on a few capable (and still solid) laptops 
was the 'Sandy Bridge' family.

My Core i5 Lenovo Thinkpad X201 has that, and there are many Dell and HP 
Machines happily running Windows 7 that also have this chipset - and use 
the integrated Intel HD2000/3000 graphics.

Intel has dropped Windows 10 support for the graphics :(

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3909r1/warning_for_those_thinking_of_upgrading_windows/

There is an in-box Windows 10 driver offered from Intel/Microsoft but 
it's old, buggy, and not going to be fixed. Intel have even wiped 
mention of it from their website. Lenovo support, no updates.

This affects popular desktops too. Many businesses rely on HP Pro 6300 
desktops and older. I have personally deployed a few these less than 2 
years ago with Windows 7, and they have the same chipset. I think we'll 
be investigating add-in graphics cards for those when (if) they get the 
corporate Windows 10 push.

In theory, Sandy Bridge machines should not have Windows 10 pushed upon 
them. In practice probably, because Microsoft habitually ship broken 
drivers (even signed WHQL), they will be pushing this OS.

Once upon a time Intel weren't in the graphics 'card' industry. And if 
ye did have an onboard Intel UMA graphics 'solution' ye did your best to 
swap onto a more sane Matrox, Nvidea or ATI graphics card.

Now, just like the coke dealer handing out 'freebies', they have us. 
Some otherwise really nice laptops will need to be replaced.

What on earth is so special in the Windows 10 graphics that requires 
Intel to do this? Intel and Microsoft have put the death knell into 
millions of bits of perfectly usable kit. It's nasty.

Drives me further to Linux... but I have to support Windows for work 
reasons. Yuk.

>
> And to those running Windows 10: You are an idiot.  That is all.
>

Nah, that's mild. Don't hold back. Say what ye really feel.

-- 
Adrian C

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OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Jonno <me@privacy.nob> - 2016-01-16 07:06 +0000
  Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-16 07:55 +0000
  Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:11 +1100
    Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users stuart noble <stuart_noble@ntlworld.com> - 2016-01-16 10:44 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:46 +0000
        Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users stuart noble <stuart_noble@ntlworld.com> - 2016-01-16 13:06 +0000
          Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-01-16 13:49 +0000
            Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users "Richard" <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> - 2016-01-16 14:46 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-01-16 13:48 +0000
  Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users "Richard" <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> - 2016-01-16 08:17 +0000
    Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-16 21:52 +0000
  Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 09:35 +0000
    Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:46 +0000
    Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2016-01-16 16:09 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:32 +0000
        Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2016-01-16 20:59 +0000
          Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-01-17 04:27 +0000
            Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-17 05:50 +0000
            Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users T i m <news@spaced.me.uk> - 2016-01-17 10:06 +0000
        Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users cl@isbd.net - 2016-01-17 10:17 +0000
          Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:38 +0000
            Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:07 +0000
              Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users T i m <news@spaced.me.uk> - 2016-01-17 13:33 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 14:24 +0000
              Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:44 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 14:45 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Chris French <newsgrp@familyfrench.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 16:19 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-17 17:13 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Chris French <newsgrp@familyfrench.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 18:53 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-17 19:58 +0000
              Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users cl@isbd.net - 2016-01-17 13:59 +0000
              Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 14:44 +0000
                Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2016-01-17 17:07 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-01-17 04:01 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:29 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users RayL12 <rayl12@tiscali.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 19:38 +0000
  Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> - 2016-01-16 12:50 +0000
  Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Michael Chare <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> - 2016-01-16 12:58 +0000
    Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:05 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-01-17 04:31 +0000
    Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> - 2016-01-16 17:18 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users T i m <news@spaced.me.uk> - 2016-01-16 18:51 +0000
      Re: OT - Intel forcing Win 10 onto users Michael Chare <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> - 2016-01-17 12:58 +0000

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