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| Started by | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| First post | 2020-07-20 16:20 +0100 |
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Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-20 16:20 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-21 08:41 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad bob <email@domain.com> - 2020-07-21 12:01 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-21 14:42 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-21 18:42 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-21 22:05 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-22 15:05 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2020-07-22 15:30 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-23 02:36 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2020-07-23 07:06 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-23 17:12 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-23 16:42 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2020-07-24 07:26 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2020-07-24 10:35 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-24 11:51 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-24 09:57 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-24 11:53 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-24 13:32 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-25 02:03 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-25 10:15 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-25 10:13 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-24 04:01 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-24 09:57 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-25 02:20 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-25 10:15 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-07-25 10:09 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-25 12:19 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2020-07-25 11:56 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-25 13:36 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2020-07-25 15:37 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-26 11:54 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2020-07-26 11:05 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-26 15:23 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-24 03:49 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2020-07-24 07:03 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-25 01:58 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-24 09:57 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-07-24 08:17 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-07-24 10:39 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-24 10:32 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-07-24 10:37 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-25 02:37 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-24 21:55 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-08-04 13:08 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2020-07-24 13:32 +0200
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-25 02:23 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-21 10:25 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2020-07-21 11:41 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-21 19:09 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-21 22:17 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-22 15:19 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-22 15:53 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2020-07-22 19:21 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-22 23:14 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-22 20:48 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-22 23:16 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-22 23:17 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-23 16:02 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-23 17:15 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-23 02:54 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-22 22:23 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-22 22:20 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2020-07-23 07:09 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2020-07-23 08:11 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 10:43 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-23 16:07 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 11:35 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-23 17:07 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 12:23 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-23 17:40 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 13:01 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-07-23 22:54 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-23 16:34 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 13:01 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-07-23 17:47 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 14:20 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-23 20:39 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 16:47 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-23 02:48 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-22 22:19 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-23 10:13 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 10:43 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-24 03:58 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 23:21 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2020-07-23 02:39 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2020-07-29 08:38 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-29 17:43 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2020-08-02 09:36 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-08-02 13:53 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-02 11:44 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2020-08-03 10:28 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-08-03 17:42 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-03 13:44 -0400
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-08-03 18:03 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-08-03 21:08 +0000
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2020-08-04 12:48 +0100
Re: Well, finally made the decision to go iPad Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-08-04 14:53 +0000
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 10:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <250720201013080801%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #145851 |
In article <1ou3b0n.2a9zh05ykcz2N@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, J. J. Lodder
<nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> Many sites nag about older Safaris,
> or even refuse to open at all for them.
> ('negotiated an insufficient level of security' and things like that,
> while they mean 'too old to push our advertisements' on)
no, that's not what that means.
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 04:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fjjkhfdta6pkkpelu1ovmtdvnkbev5icpm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #145765 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:12:12 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
>Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
>
>> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>
>> > Could MacSoup be ported?
>>
>> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will
>> never come back.
>> I really liked it too but I guess it´s time to move on.
>
>Just don't upgrade the system.
>
>There is a French MacSoup substitute in the making,
>called MacCafé. It can import MacSoup databases.
>
>It seems to have a lot of troubles,
The major one being it is French?
I would have thought they would call the French version "MacSoupcon"
or something.
J.
>
>Jan
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 09:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou1gda.19ysiwjcgd59jN@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145799 |
John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:12:12 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. > Lodder) wrote: > > >Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote: > > > >> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > >> > >> > Could MacSoup be ported? > >> > >> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will > >> never come back. > >> I really liked it too but I guess it´s time to move on. > > > >Just don't upgrade the system. > > > >There is a French MacSoup substitute in the making, > >called MacCafé. It can import MacSoup databases. > > > >It seems to have a lot of troubles, > > The major one being it is French? Poor you. Ten menu commmands is too much to learn? The main problem seems to be that it is built on top of a cumbersome database engine, Jan
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 02:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <a81nhf5lthsnbr42et64o5vd5st31a2v0m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #145807 |
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:57:13 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
>John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:12:12 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> Lodder) wrote:
>>
>> >Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Could MacSoup be ported?
>> >>
>> >> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will
>> >> never come back.
>> >> I really liked it too but I guess it´s time to move on.
>> >
>> >Just don't upgrade the system.
>> >
>> >There is a French MacSoup substitute in the making,
>> >called MacCafé. It can import MacSoup databases.
>> >
>> >It seems to have a lot of troubles,
>>
>> The major one being it is French?
>
>Poor you. Ten menu commmands is too much to learn?
You must be USAlien, yes? The French and us Englanders have had this
*thing* since the ice last retreated back home. We cordially insult
each other liberally.
To us, it's funny. I've no idea how the French feel about it but as
no one really cares how they feel that's a bit moot. [It's all
connected to Kings and Queens and marriages and them owning,
conquering or otherwise having temper tantrums over lands and titles
in each other's bits over centuries. It's a History thing.]
>The main problem seems to be that it is built
>on top of a cumbersome database engine,
Well, that is easily fixed. Yes? No?
J.
>
>Jan
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 10:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145844 |
John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:57:13 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. > Lodder) wrote: > > >John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:12:12 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. > >> Lodder) wrote: > >> > >> >Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Could MacSoup be ported? > >> >> > >> >> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will > >> >> never come back. > >> >> I really liked it too but I guess it´s time to move on. > >> > > >> >Just don't upgrade the system. > >> > > >> >There is a French MacSoup substitute in the making, > >> >called MacCafé. It can import MacSoup databases. > >> > > >> >It seems to have a lot of troubles, > >> > >> The major one being it is French? > > > >Poor you. Ten menu commmands is too much to learn? > > You must be USAlien, yes? The French and us Englanders have had this > *thing* since the ice last retreated back home. We cordially insult > each other liberally. That's what the English think, but it really is a rather one-sided thing. > To us, it's funny. I know. The English 'sense of humour' is an English problem. > I've no idea how the French feel about it but as > no one really cares how they feel that's a bit moot. [It's all > connected to Kings and Queens and marriages and them owning, > conquering or otherwise having temper tantrums over lands and titles > in each other's bits over centuries. It's a History thing.] I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. But history really is about England becoming, and being Top Nation. > >The main problem seems to be that it is built > >on top of a cumbersome database engine, > > Well, that is easily fixed. Yes? No? I'm afraid not, Jan
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| From | richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 10:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfh0cf$1u10$1@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk> |
| In reply to | #145852 |
In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: >I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, >by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred years war was, who was in it, or who won it. -- Richard
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 12:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou3j6e.s9blz1c1qhl3N@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145856 |
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, > J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, > >by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. > > I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred > years war was, who was in it, or who won it. Now really. Why would that be necessary? The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever without knowing why, or what it was about. It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. It is Not Memorable that the English lost it, Jan
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| From | Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 11:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rfh35h$lcl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145857 |
On 25/07/2020 11:19, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > >> In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, >> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>> I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, >>> by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. >> >> I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred >> years war was, who was in it, or who won it. > > Now really. Why would that be necessary? > The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever > without knowing why, or what it was about. > > It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' > because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. Fiction, it's called the 100 years war because it was a series of linked pan-European conflicts that stretched for well over a century. There was no singe winner, or loser come to that. -- Graeme Wall This account not read.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 13:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou3mqb.hafuvc1mit5suN@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145858 |
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On 25/07/2020 11:19, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > > > >> In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, > >> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >>> I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, > >>> by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. > >> > >> I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred > >> years war was, who was in it, or who won it. > > > > Now really. Why would that be necessary? > > The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever > > without knowing why, or what it was about. > > > > It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' > > because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. > > Fiction, it's called the 100 years war because it was a series of linked > pan-European conflicts that stretched for well over a century. Eh, English humour is beyond you? > There was no singe winner, or loser come to that. Nonsense. There was a clear and obvious winner, France, and a clear and obvious loser, England. England lost all of it's French possesions, except for Calais. The French monarchy came out much strengthened, and English kings had to give up all claims to the French throne. The English monarchy was much weakened, and England suffered the Wars of the Roses in consequence. Jan
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| From | Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 15:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rfhg3i$1j2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145860 |
On 25/07/2020 12:36, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 25/07/2020 11:19, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>> Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, >>>> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>>>> I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, >>>>> by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. >>>> >>>> I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred >>>> years war was, who was in it, or who won it. >>> >>> Now really. Why would that be necessary? >>> The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever >>> without knowing why, or what it was about. >>> >>> It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' >>> because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. >> >> Fiction, it's called the 100 years war because it was a series of linked >> pan-European conflicts that stretched for well over a century. > > Eh, English humour is beyond you? Thank you Messrs Sellars and Yateman. > >> There was no singe winner, or loser come to that. > > Nonsense. There was a clear and obvious winner, France, Tell that to the Hapsburgs. > and a clear and obvious loser, England. > England lost all of it's French possesions, except for Calais. > The French monarchy came out much strengthened, > and English kings had to give up all claims to the French throne. > The English monarchy was much weakened, > and England suffered the Wars of the Roses in consequence. > The so-called Wars of the Roses is almost as much of a fiction, it was another series of dynastic quarrels but this time glamourised by the Tudor spin-doctor, one W Shakespeare. -- Graeme Wall This account not read.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-26 11:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou5cnl.1cmum701w4xbe5N@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145863 |
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On 25/07/2020 12:36, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> On 25/07/2020 11:19, J. J. Lodder wrote: > >>> Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, > >>>> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >>>>> I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, > >>>>> by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. > >>>> > >>>> I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred > >>>> years war was, who was in it, or who won it. > >>> > >>> Now really. Why would that be necessary? > >>> The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever > >>> without knowing why, or what it was about. > >>> > >>> It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' > >>> because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. > >> > >> Fiction, it's called the 100 years war because it was a series of linked > >> pan-European conflicts that stretched for well over a century. > > > > Eh, English humour is beyond you? > > Thank you Messrs Sellars and Yateman. > > >> There was no singe winner, or loser come to that. > > > > Nonsense. There was a clear and obvious winner, France, > > Tell that to the Hapsburgs. Any sideline will do to distract from an obvious and painful English loss in a major war? > > and a clear and obvious loser, England. > > England lost all of it's French possesions, except for Calais. > > The French monarchy came out much strengthened, > > and English kings had to give up all claims to the French throne. > > The English monarchy was much weakened, > > and England suffered the Wars of the Roses in consequence. > > > > The so-called Wars of the Roses is almost as much of a fiction, it was > another series of dynastic quarrels but this time glamourised by the > Tudor spin-doctor, one W Shakespeare. Sure, but while they lasted England was a second rate country where the real powers of the time meddled in the internal affairs, supporting one side or the other to further their interests, Jan
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| From | Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-26 11:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rfjkgs$dcd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145879 |
On 26/07/2020 10:54, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 25/07/2020 12:36, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 25/07/2020 11:19, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>> Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, >>>>>> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>>>>>> I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, >>>>>>> by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred >>>>>> years war was, who was in it, or who won it. >>>>> >>>>> Now really. Why would that be necessary? >>>>> The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever >>>>> without knowing why, or what it was about. >>>>> >>>>> It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' >>>>> because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. >>>> >>>> Fiction, it's called the 100 years war because it was a series of linked >>>> pan-European conflicts that stretched for well over a century. >>> >>> Eh, English humour is beyond you? >> >> Thank you Messrs Sellars and Yateman. >> >>>> There was no singe winner, or loser come to that. >>> >>> Nonsense. There was a clear and obvious winner, France, >> >> Tell that to the Hapsburgs. > > Any sideline will do to distract from an obvious > and painful English loss in a major war? It was 500 years ago, apart from you, no-one cares. > >>> and a clear and obvious loser, England. >>> England lost all of it's French possesions, except for Calais. >>> The French monarchy came out much strengthened, >>> and English kings had to give up all claims to the French throne. >>> The English monarchy was much weakened, >>> and England suffered the Wars of the Roses in consequence. >>> >> >> The so-called Wars of the Roses is almost as much of a fiction, it was >> another series of dynastic quarrels but this time glamourised by the >> Tudor spin-doctor, one W Shakespeare. > > Sure, but while they lasted England was a second rate country > where the real powers of the time meddled in the internal affairs, > supporting one side or the other to further their interests, > That's all right, we like being a second rate country, hence Brexit. -- Graeme Wall This account not read.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-26 15:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou5lne.1ywhht31ho822eN@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145880 |
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On 26/07/2020 10:54, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> On 25/07/2020 12:36, J. J. Lodder wrote: > >>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 25/07/2020 11:19, J. J. Lodder wrote: > >>>>> Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In article <1ou3b1d.dqjmlb191dvlsN@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, > >>>>>> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa31@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >>>>>>> I know, the English are still sore about having been defeated, > >>>>>>> by Unfair Means, in the 100-years war. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think you'll find most English people have no idea when the hundred > >>>>>> years war was, who was in it, or who won it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now really. Why would that be necessary? > >>>>> The English are quite capable of remaining sore forever > >>>>> without knowing why, or what it was about. > >>>>> > >>>>> It is Memorable however that it is called 'The Hundred Years War' > >>>>> because the troops signed on for a hundred years, or the duration. > >>>> > >>>> Fiction, it's called the 100 years war because it was a series of linked > >>>> pan-European conflicts that stretched for well over a century. > >>> > >>> Eh, English humour is beyond you? > >> > >> Thank you Messrs Sellars and Yateman. > >> > >>>> There was no singe winner, or loser come to that. > >>> > >>> Nonsense. There was a clear and obvious winner, France, > >> > >> Tell that to the Hapsburgs. > > > > Any sideline will do to distract from an obvious > > and painful English loss in a major war? > > It was 500 years ago, apart from you, no-one cares. Eh, *I* didn't start this. At the root, which you have snipped, was ======================================================================== You must be USAlien, yes? The French and us Englanders have had this *thing* since the ice last retreated back home. We cordially insult each other liberally. To us, it's funny. I've no idea how the French feel about it but as no one really cares how they feel that's a bit moot. [It's all connected to Kings and Queens and marriages and them owning, conquering or otherwise having temper tantrums over lands and titles in each other's bits over centuries. It's a History thing.] ======================================================================== > >>> and a clear and obvious loser, England. > >>> England lost all of it's French possesions, except for Calais. > >>> The French monarchy came out much strengthened, > >>> and English kings had to give up all claims to the French throne. > >>> The English monarchy was much weakened, > >>> and England suffered the Wars of the Roses in consequence. > >>> > >> > >> The so-called Wars of the Roses is almost as much of a fiction, it was > >> another series of dynastic quarrels but this time glamourised by the > >> Tudor spin-doctor, one W Shakespeare. > > > > Sure, but while they lasted England was a second rate country > > where the real powers of the time meddled in the internal affairs, > > supporting one side or the other to further their interests, > > That's all right, we like being a second rate country, hence Brexit. When one sees a case of collective madness one may want to understand how it came about, Jan
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 03:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <9qikhfpujfhrm089r3mld88kvuiduqspiu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #145751 |
On 23 Jul 2020 07:06:48 GMT, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de>
wrote:
>On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>> Could MacSoup be ported?
>
>"Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will
>never come back.
As a follow-up and even more idiotic question [sorry, I haven't been
following the MacSoup story], could MacSoup be taken over by
volunteers? Sort of like a Unix distro?
>I really liked it too but I guess it´s time to move on.
I am *not* volunteering. At my advanced decrepitude, I prefer not to
try to learn how to Mac-program. I don't mind voluteeering you lot,
though. :)
J.
>
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| From | Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 07:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rfdtim$mpg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145797 |
On 24/07/2020 03:49, John wrote: > On 23 Jul 2020 07:06:48 GMT, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> > wrote: > >> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >> >>> Could MacSoup be ported? >> >> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will >> never come back. > > As a follow-up and even more idiotic question [sorry, I haven't been > following the MacSoup story], could MacSoup be taken over by > volunteers? Sort of like a Unix distro? That's up to Stefan, but I suspect there's little point. It is a Carbon app and that does not exist in 64-bit platforms. There are alternative apps, and asking their authors for MacSoup-like features seems a more useful way forward. -- Chris
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2020-07-25 01:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2s0nhfpj63b30rrl3k72gamgm95fua0ior@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #145803 |
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:03:11 +0100, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com>
wrote:
>On 24/07/2020 03:49, John wrote:
>> On 23 Jul 2020 07:06:48 GMT, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could MacSoup be ported?
>>>
>>> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will
>>> never come back.
>>
>> As a follow-up and even more idiotic question [sorry, I haven't been
>> following the MacSoup story], could MacSoup be taken over by
>> volunteers? Sort of like a Unix distro?
>
>That's up to Stefan, but I suspect there's little point. It is a Carbon
>app and that does not exist in 64-bit platforms. There are alternative
>apps, and asking their authors for MacSoup-like features seems a more
>useful way forward.
Thank you.
J.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 09:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ou1ghm.11jqk0x1rw84kbN@de-ster.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #145797 |
John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On 23 Jul 2020 07:06:48 GMT, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> > wrote: > > >On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > > > >> Could MacSoup be ported? > > > >"Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will > >never come back. > > As a follow-up and even more idiotic question [sorry, I haven't been > following the MacSoup story], could MacSoup be taken over by > volunteers? Sort of like a Unix distro? IIRC Stefan Haller has said that the source code of MacSoup is not, and will not be available, Jan
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| From | RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 08:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfe5fj$1kvb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #145808 |
On 24 Jul 2020 at 08:57:13 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: > John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > >> On 23 Jul 2020 07:06:48 GMT, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> >> wrote: >> >>> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >>> >>>> Could MacSoup be ported? >>> >>> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will >>> never come back. >> >> As a follow-up and even more idiotic question [sorry, I haven't been >> following the MacSoup story], could MacSoup be taken over by >> volunteers? Sort of like a Unix distro? > > IIRC Stefan Haller has said that the source code of MacSoup > is not, and will not be available, > JOOI, why might he choose to do that? It'll just turn to dust, when perhaps it might have been useful elsewhere? -- Cheers, Rob
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| From | Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 10:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.24CAE3C301B93AE370000D81138F@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145809 |
On 24 Jul 2020, RJH wrote (in article <rfe5fj$1kvb$1@gioia.aioe.org>): > JOOI, why might he choose to do that? It'll just turn to dust, when perhaps it > might have been useful elsewhere? Often because you can’t. I have code that’s died, because it relied on proprietary licenses or particular build versions or what have you. Plus, some it was crap. I will not tell you what I did when teaching myself C++ and discovering the concept of the constructor for the first time. If I -did- tell you, I would require serious programmer jail time for abuse of concept. It worked fine, but...yeah. Not something I’d want to associate my current career with. Cheers, Ian
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-24 10:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnvrmaF9rumU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145809 |
On 24 Jul 2020 at 09:17:55 BST, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote: > On 24 Jul 2020 at 08:57:13 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: > >> John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >> >>> On 23 Jul 2020 07:06:48 GMT, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 23. Jul 2020 at 03:36:27 CEST, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Could MacSoup be ported? >>>> >>>> "Could" maybe, but according to it´s author it is dead and gone and will >>>> never come back. >>> >>> As a follow-up and even more idiotic question [sorry, I haven't been >>> following the MacSoup story], could MacSoup be taken over by >>> volunteers? Sort of like a Unix distro? >> >> IIRC Stefan Haller has said that the source code of MacSoup >> is not, and will not be available, >> > > JOOI, why might he choose to do that? It'll just turn to dust, when perhaps > it > might have been useful elsewhere? It's two layers deep in dead dependencies, 32bit and carbon. Three if you count being an app dedicated to Usenet! There's not going to be a lot of useful in there for people to learn from. Also making your source available is *deeply embarrassing* in most cases, so I'm sure Stefan would want to fix up a lot of stuff. Which would be pointless make-work. Cheers - Jaimie -- There's no limit to the amount of work someone can do, provided it's not the work they're supposed to be doing.
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