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  Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-24 15:14 +0100
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-10-24 15:40 +0100
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-24 17:48 +0100
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-10-24 17:06 +0200
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-25 09:30 +0100
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-10-24 16:08 +0100
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-24 17:48 +0100
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-10-24 21:38 +0200
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-10-24 20:46 +0100
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-24 17:13 +0000
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-25 09:30 +0100
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-10-25 11:23 +0000
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2025-10-24 21:59 +0100
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-25 07:55 +0000
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-10-26 07:59 +0000
          Re: Illegal weather forecast website? "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-10-26 08:13 +0000
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:22 +0000
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-25 09:30 +0100
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-10-25 12:06 +0100
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 08:06 +0000
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-10-26 10:23 +0000
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-26 21:05 +0000
    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-10-27 08:44 +0000
      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2025-10-27 09:27 +0000
        Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:28 +0000
          Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-28 11:41 +0000
            Re: Illegal weather forecast website? "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-10-28 14:02 +0000
            Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2025-10-28 14:55 +0000
              Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-28 15:01 +0000
                Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2025-10-29 08:11 +0000
                  Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:30 +0000
                    Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:02 +0000
                      Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:33 +0000
          Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Andy H <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2025-10-29 22:44 +0000
            Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2025-10-30 07:38 +0000
              Re: Illegal weather forecast website? Andy H <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2025-10-31 06:41 +0000

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#182121 — Illegal weather forecast website?

Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:

https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/

used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
have to turn on cookies.

Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
regardless of the choice of cookies.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#182122

Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> 
> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> 
> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> have to turn on cookies.
> 
> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> regardless of the choice of cookies.
>

Just reject cookies; it will still work but not remember your previous
locations.

-- 
^Ï^.       Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS       My pet rock Gordon just is.

My summer holiday pics:   <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>  

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#182126

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> > 
> > https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> > 
> > used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> > displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> > displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> > have to turn on cookies.
> > 
> > Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> > regardless of the choice of cookies.
> >
> 
> Just reject cookies; it will still work but not remember your previous
> locations.

It won't show me the full version without cookies enabled - this is what
has changed in the last 24 hours.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#182123

Am 24.10.25 um 16:14 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:
> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> 
> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> 
> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> have to turn on cookies.
> 
> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> regardless of the choice of cookies.

This is technically incorrect. You know what session cookies are?
Cookies are not bad per se and if you do not trust the Metoffice why are 
you visiting their site?


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#182134

=?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?= <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> Am 24.10.25 um 16:14 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:
> > Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> > 
> > https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> > 
> > used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> > displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> > displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> > have to turn on cookies.
> > 
> > Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> > regardless of the choice of cookies.
> 
> This is technically incorrect. You know what session cookies are?
> Cookies are not bad per se and if you do not trust the Metoffice why are
> you visiting their site?

Most sites have the option of Functional Cookies only, this one doesn't.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#182124

Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> 
> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> 
> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> have to turn on cookies.
> 
> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> regardless of the choice of cookies.

This is apparently a new version.  I found an option to go back to the 
previous version which asked why I didn't like the new one.


-- 
Graham J

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#182125

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> > Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> > 
> > https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> > 
> > used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> > displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> > displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> > have to turn on cookies.
> > 
> > Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> > regardless of the choice of cookies.
> 
> This is apparently a new version.  I found an option to go back to the
> previous version which asked why I didn't like the new one.

Did you have cookies enabled at the time?

-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#182128

On 24.10.25 18:48, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>>>
>>> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
>>>
>>> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>>> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>>> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>>> have to turn on cookies.
>>>
>>> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>>> regardless of the choice of cookies.
>>
>> This is apparently a new version.  I found an option to go back to the
>> previous version which asked why I didn't like the new one.
> 
> Did you have cookies enabled at the time?

You should have cookies always enabled. Throw them away end the end of
your session. Firefox masters that without a blink of an eye.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita."

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#182129

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

[snip]
>>
>> This is apparently a new version.  I found an option to go back to the
>> previous version which asked why I didn't like the new one.
> 
> Did you have cookies enabled at the time?
> 

Almost certainly, yes.

-- 
Graham J

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#182127

In article <1rkpr8a.1h99tyk1xh8qvgN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>
>https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
>
>used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>have to turn on cookies.

You only have to turn on the first cookie - "Store and/or access
information on a device" - so presumably it's using a cookie to
remember that you want the old version, which is reasonable, though
there's no reason why it couldn't also have a link to the old version
without remembering that you want it.

>Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>regardless of the choice of cookies.

That can't be true in general, since cookies are used to store your
preferences about the display.  If it were demanding that you accept
advertising cookies it would be a different matter.

-- Richard

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#182135

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> In article <1rkpr8a.1h99tyk1xh8qvgN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
> Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> >
> >https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> >
> >used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> >displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> >displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> >have to turn on cookies.
> 
> You only have to turn on the first cookie - "Store and/or access
> information on a device" - so presumably it's using a cookie to
> remember that you want the old version, which is reasonable, though
> there's no reason why it couldn't also have a link to the old version
> without remembering that you want it.
> 
> >Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> >regardless of the choice of cookies.
> 
> That can't be true in general, since cookies are used to store your
> preferences about the display.  If it were demanding that you accept
> advertising cookies it would be a different matter.

They don't appear to distinguish between them.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#182138

In article <1rkr65v.1aqaoks1hkl1c0N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> That can't be true in general, since cookies are used to store your
>> preferences about the display.  If it were demanding that you accept
>> advertising cookies it would be a different matter.

>They don't appear to distinguish between them.

The pop-up that appears when I go to the site has 11 different
purposes you can accept or refuse, 3 of which relate to advertising.

-- Richard

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#182130

On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> 
> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> 
> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> have to turn on cookies.
> 
> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> regardless of the choice of cookies.

Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter 
the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the 
"detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to 
allow cookies.

All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.

In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.

-- 
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, England

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#182133

On 24 Oct 2025 at 21:59:07 GMT+1, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

> On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>> 
>> <https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/>
>> 
>> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>> have to turn on cookies.
>> 
>> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>> regardless of the choice of cookies.
> 
> Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter
> the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the
> "detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to
> allow cookies.
> 
> All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.
> 
> In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.

My problem with Safari on macOS26 - Version 26.0.1 (21622.1.22.11.15) is
displaying weather warnings. Click on a particular warning on the UK map to
get more details and a more or less blank window appears. No such problems
with Firefox. It's probably nothing to do with cookies but I suspect their
site is not totally Safari friendly. I've not checked for similar problams
with Safari on iOS and iPadOS yet.

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#182144

On 25 Oct 2025 at 07:55:07 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2025 at 21:59:07 GMT+1, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>>> 
>>> <https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/>
>>> 
>>> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>>> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>>> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>>> have to turn on cookies.
>>> 
>>> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>>> regardless of the choice of cookies.
>> 
>> Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter
>> the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the
>> "detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to
>> allow cookies.
>> 
>> All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.
>> 
>> In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.
> 
> My problem with Safari on macOS26 - Version 26.0.1 (21622.1.22.11.15) is
> displaying weather warnings. Click on a particular warning on the UK map to
> get more details and a more or less blank window appears. No such problems
> with Firefox. It's probably nothing to do with cookies but I suspect their
> site is not totally Safari friendly. I've not checked for similar problams
> with Safari on iOS and iPadOS yet.

I tried with Arc and while it had a different "look" it behaved perfectly.
Mind you, I don't fuss much over cookies. So it may have asked when I first
opened the new site; I would have just clicked Accept All and forgotton.

Old John.
-- 
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

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#182146

On 26/10/2025 07:59, John Hill wrote:
> On 25 Oct 2025 at 07:55:07 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2025 at 21:59:07 GMT+1, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>>>>
>>>> <https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/>
>>>>
>>>> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>>>> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>>>> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>>>> have to turn on cookies.
>>>>
>>>> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>>>> regardless of the choice of cookies.
>>>
>>> Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter
>>> the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the
>>> "detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to
>>> allow cookies.
>>>
>>> All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.
>>>
>>> In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.
>>
>> My problem with Safari on macOS26 - Version 26.0.1 (21622.1.22.11.15) is
>> displaying weather warnings. Click on a particular warning on the UK map to
>> get more details and a more or less blank window appears. No such problems
>> with Firefox. It's probably nothing to do with cookies but I suspect their
>> site is not totally Safari friendly. I've not checked for similar problams
>> with Safari on iOS and iPadOS yet.
> 
> I tried with Arc and while it had a different "look" it behaved perfectly.
> Mind you, I don't fuss much over cookies. So it may have asked when I first
> opened the new site; I would have just clicked Accept All and forgotton.
> 
> Old John.

This website appears to work perfectly here using Safari:-

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk

My Safari version is Version 18.6 (18621.3.11.19.1, 18621)

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#182165

On 2025-10-25, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2025 at 21:59:07 GMT+1, "Bruce" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>>> 
>>> <https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/>
>>> 
>>> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>>> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>>> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>>> have to turn on cookies.
>>> 
>>> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>>> regardless of the choice of cookies.
>> 
>> Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter
>> the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the
>> "detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to
>> allow cookies.
>> 
>> All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.
>> 
>> In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.
>
> My problem with Safari on macOS26 - Version 26.0.1 (21622.1.22.11.15) is
> displaying weather warnings. Click on a particular warning on the UK map to
> get more details and a more or less blank window appears. No such problems
> with Firefox. It's probably nothing to do with cookies but I suspect their
> site is not totally Safari friendly. I've not checked for similar problams
> with Safari on iOS and iPadOS yet.

As there's a new weather warning for 30/10/25, I've repeated the above
and as expected got the same blank (no map) outcome with Safari 26.0.1 
but the map showing the affected area showed OK with Firefox as 
expected. However using Safari on iOS 26 there were no problems at all.

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#182136

Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

> On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> > Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> > 
> > https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> > 
> > used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> > displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> > displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> > have to turn on cookies.
> > 
> > Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> > regardless of the choice of cookies.
> 
> Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter
> the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the
> "detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to
> allow cookies.
> 
> All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.
> 
> In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.

I was using Firefox 129.0.2  I don't know if that made a difference.

-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#182137

On 25/10/2025 09:30, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Bruce <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 24/10/2025 15:14, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
>>>
>>> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
>>>
>>> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
>>> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
>>> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
>>> have to turn on cookies.
>>>
>>> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
>>> regardless of the choice of cookies.
>>
>> Just tried it now using Safari. I declined cookies and was able to enter
>> the name of my local area and see a forecast. I was able to click the
>> "detailed forecast" tab and get more information without being asked to
>> allow cookies.
>>
>> All links seemed to work and none asked me to enable cookies.
>>
>> In short, I couldn't reproduce what you saw.
> 
> I was using Firefox 129.0.2  I don't know if that made a difference.

The current version of Firefox is 144.0 (64-bit)

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#182145

Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Selecting my local area from the Met Office website:
> 
> https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/
> 
> used to display a fairly comprehensive weather foracast, today it
> displayed a huge animation of clouds and a useless summary.  It also
> displayed a message that if I wanted to see more information I would
> have to turn on cookies.
> 
> Surely this is illegal; the information displayed should be the same
> regardless of the choice of cookies.
> 

I have noticed an increasing trend with some sites, particularly news, that
require you to either get a subscription or accept all cookies. 

Not sure whether that's illegal or not and possibly a wrinkle that's
allowed since brexit. 

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