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  New postings to top of listed postings Peter James <peterf@gmail.com> - 2025-07-31 09:41 +0000
    Re: New postings to top of listed postings Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-07-31 10:02 +0000
    Re: New postings to top of listed postings Another John <lalaw44@hotmail.com> - 2025-07-31 10:03 +0000
    Re: New postings to top of listed postings "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-31 13:51 +0100
      Re: New postings to top of listed postings "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-31 13:59 +0100
        Re: New postings to top of listed postings Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-07-31 16:55 +0000
          Re: New postings to top of listed postings "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-31 19:02 +0100
            Re: New postings to top of listed postings Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-07-31 22:58 +0000
              Re: New postings to top of listed postings "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-08-01 09:16 +0100
                Re: New postings to top of listed postings Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-02 17:38 +0000
                  Re: New postings to top of listed postings "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-08-03 11:39 +0100
          Re: New postings to top of listed postings Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-07-31 18:41 +0000
            Re: New postings to top of listed postings David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> - 2025-07-31 20:53 +0100
              Re: New postings to top of listed postings Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-07-31 22:47 +0000
              Re: New postings to top of listed postings Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2025-08-04 07:09 +0000
    Re: New postings to top of listed postings Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-07-31 16:52 +0000
      Re: New postings to top of listed postings Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-07-31 18:41 +0000
        Re: New postings to top of listed postings Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2025-07-31 19:00 +0000

#181509 — New postings to top of listed postings

I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
Can anyone tell me how to do this?

Thank you, petefj.
-- 
The address shown on this posting is false.  If you need to contact me then wirte to:
peterATpfjamesDOTcoDOTuk

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#181512

On 31 Jul 2025 at 10:41:28 BST, "Peter James" <peterf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
> 
> Thank you, petefj.

Would the 'Hide read' option help as mentioned in the Usenapp - Mark as Read
article.

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#181513

On 31 Jul 2025 at 10:41:28 BST, "Peter James" <peterf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
> 
> Thank you, petefj.

Not too sure what you mean, but I will say that Usenapp -- is definitely "a
learning experience", which with no user guide and all.

There are two windows which display threads. The upper window has the thread
in one order (what is it?); the lower displays the thread in its left hand
column (which _may_ be chronological).

I use the lower, because simply pressing the space bar cycles through the
responses in (what I take to be) chronoloical order; you have to select a
response in that column to move the focus. If a response is longer than the
depth of that lower window Usenapp shows you the rest of the response before
it moves on to the next response: nifty, I thought, when I discovered this.

Usenapp. for me, is a little bit like one of those great little adventure
games we used to get in the days of System 9.

J.

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#181515

On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
> 
> Thank you, petefj.


Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?

No?

So is the developer Certified by Apple?

See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435

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#181516

On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through 
>> the list
>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the 
>> screen.
>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>
>> Thank you, petefj.
> 
> 
> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
> 
> No?
> 
> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
> 
> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435

Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)

https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/

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#181518

On Jul 31, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
>> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through
>>> the list
>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the
>>> screen.
>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>> 
>>> Thank you, petefj.
>> 
>> 
>> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
>> 
>> No?
>> 
>> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
>> 
>> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435
> 
> Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)
> 
> https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/

Take your paranoia elsewhere.

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#181519

On 31/07/2025 17:55, Tyrone wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
>>> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through
>>>> the list
>>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the
>>>> screen.
>>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, petefj.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
>>>
>>> No?
>>>
>>> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
>>>
>>> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435
>>
>> Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)
>>
>> https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/
> 
> Take your paranoia elsewhere.

As a security-conscious Mac user, I would like a safe and intelligent 
way to analyze macOS software (such as .app bundles and .dmg files) 
without needing to install or run them. While I understand that ChatGPT 
itself cannot execute software for safety reasons, it /could/ provide 
enormous value by offering:

     Passive static analysis of app bundles

     Inspection of code-signing and notarisation status

     Warnings about suspicious patterns (e.g., launch agents, silent 
background activity, obfuscated components)

     Interpretation of embedded strings, certificates, and potential 
network behaviour

This would be especially helpful for proprietary tools where the 
developer is unknown or not transparent. For instance, I have strong 
doubts about a macOS tool called EtreCheck, which installs deeply into 
the system and collects diagnostic data. Despite it being notarised by 
Apple, the developer (who goes by a pseudonym) has ignored repeated 
support inquiries. This lack of accountability — combined with 
notarisation being no guarantee of ethics or privacy — highlights the 
need for independent, AI-assisted evaluation tools.

Similarly,nobody has ever confirmed that Usenapp has been checked.
The developer is an unknown quantity with no on-line presence!

Ideally, ChatGPT could either integrate with services like VirusTotal or 
guide users through safe inspection methods. Even helping users run 
passive Terminal checks (e.g., codesign, spctl, strings) and 
interpreting those results intelligently would be a great first step.

I believe many responsible users would appreciate the ability to assess 
macOS apps more critically and safely — without blind trust or risk.

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#181526

On Jul 31, 2025 at 2:02:45 PM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 31/07/2025 17:55, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
>>>> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through
>>>>> the list
>>>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the
>>>>> screen.
>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, petefj.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
>>>> 
>>>> No?
>>>> 
>>>> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
>>>> 
>>>> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435
>>> 
>>> Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)
>>> 
>>> https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/
>> 
>> Take your paranoia elsewhere.
> 
> As a security-conscious Mac user

You are a barely-conscious person.  You wouldn't understand Mac Security if it
painted it's face blue and jumped up on the piano singing "Mac Security is
here!"

So why don't you stalk/harrass/libel/slander the authors of every single Mac
app?  Why do you constantly stalk/harrass/libel/slander only the authors who
have stopped responding your insane questions? 

AGAIN, take your paranoia elsewhere.  We are actually trying to help people
here.

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#181528

On 31/07/2025 23:58, Tyrone wrote:
[....]
>>> Take your paranoia elsewhere.
>>
>> As a security-conscious Mac user
> 
> You are a barely-conscious person.  You wouldn't understand Mac Security if it
> painted it's face blue and jumped up on the piano singing "Mac Security is
> here!"
> 
> So why don't you stalk/harrass/libel/slander the authors of every single Mac
> app?  Why do you constantly stalk/harrass/libel/slander only the authors who
> have stopped responding your insane questions?
> 
> AGAIN, take your paranoia elsewhere.  We are actually trying to help people
> here.

Tyrone,

You've just accused me — publicly — of stalking, harassment, libel, and
slander. That’s not only false, it borders on defamatory itself.

I raised legitimate concerns about an app that’s distributed outside the
App Store, with no visible developer identity and no clear
accountability. That’s not “paranoia” — it’s due diligence, especially
for those of us who care about Mac security.

If you disagree, you're welcome to present a reasoned counterpoint. But
resorting to personal abuse and name-calling says far more about your
approach than it does about mine.

David B.

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#181546

On Aug 1, 2025 at 4:16:40 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 31/07/2025 23:58, Tyrone wrote:
> [....]
>>>> Take your paranoia elsewhere.
>>> 
>>> As a security-conscious Mac user
>> 
>> You are a barely-conscious person.  You wouldn't understand Mac Security if it
>> painted it's face blue and jumped up on the piano singing "Mac Security is
>> here!"
>> 
>> So why don't you stalk/harrass/libel/slander the authors of every single Mac
>> app?  Why do you constantly stalk/harrass/libel/slander only the authors who
>> have stopped responding your insane questions?
>> 
>> AGAIN, take your paranoia elsewhere.  We are actually trying to help people
>> here.
> 
> Tyrone,
> 
> You've just accused me — publicly — of stalking, harassment, libel, and
> slander. That’s not only false, it borders on defamatory itself.

Listen, you flaming turd.  One can't "defame" someone who is already infamous.
    

> I raised legitimate concerns about an app that’s distributed outside the
> App Store, with no visible developer identity and no clear
> accountability. That’s not “paranoia” — it’s due diligence, especially
> for those of us who care about Mac security.

If this was the first time you had "raised legitmate concerns", you might have
a point.  But you have been barking about this for 10 YEARS now. ALL of your
insane questions have been answered.  Multiple times, by multiple people.  
That you continue to ignore the answers and continue to bark about this is the
very definition of stalking, harassment, libel, and slander. 

> If you disagree, you're welcome to present a reasoned counterpoint. But
> resorting to personal abuse and name-calling says far more about your
> approach than it does about mine.

Nice try. But there is no such thing as "reasoning" with you. WHICH IS WHY YOU
ARE BANNED FROM EVERY MODERATED APPLE SUPPORT FORUM ON THE PLANET. 

Not to mention that you have been banned multiple times.  You keep on coming
back with a new name, making the same old allegations and continue to
stalk/harrass/libel/slander innocent people. 

And YOU are doing your stalking, harassment, libel, and slander publicly.  
You come in here and post links to 3/5/8 year old forum messages where you
"raised legitmate concerns" for the 100th time about EtreCheck and ask for
comments here. You BEG strangers to sign up to the forum in question and ask
questions on your behalf. 

Does it EVER occur to you that MAYBE you are wrong? Does it EVER occur to you
that if you stopped stalking/harrassing/libeling/slandering innocent people
that you MIGHT be allowed back onto moderated Apple support forums? Because
they have no choice but to ban you. Otherwise they could be accused of the
stalking/harrassing/libeling/slandering of innocent people just by leaving
your posts visible and allowing you to CONTINUE to stalk/harrass/libel/slander
innocent people.

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#181547

On 02/08/2025 18:38, Tyrone wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2025 at 4:16:40 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 31/07/2025 23:58, Tyrone wrote:
>> [....]
>>>>> Take your paranoia elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> As a security-conscious Mac user
>>>
>>> You are a barely-conscious person.  You wouldn't understand Mac Security if it
>>> painted it's face blue and jumped up on the piano singing "Mac Security is
>>> here!"
>>>
>>> So why don't you stalk/harrass/libel/slander the authors of every single Mac
>>> app?  Why do you constantly stalk/harrass/libel/slander only the authors who
>>> have stopped responding your insane questions?
>>>
>>> AGAIN, take your paranoia elsewhere.  We are actually trying to help people
>>> here.
>>
>> Tyrone,
>>
>> You've just accused me — publicly — of stalking, harassment, libel, and
>> slander. That’s not only false, it borders on defamatory itself.
> 
> Listen, you flaming turd.  One can't "defame" someone who is already infamous.
>      
> 
>> I raised legitimate concerns about an app that’s distributed outside the
>> App Store, with no visible developer identity and no clear
>> accountability. That’s not “paranoia” — it’s due diligence, especially
>> for those of us who care about Mac security.
> 
> If this was the first time you had "raised legitmate concerns", you might have
> a point.  But you have been barking about this for 10 YEARS now. ALL of your
> insane questions have been answered.  Multiple times, by multiple people.
> That you continue to ignore the answers and continue to bark about this is the
> very definition of stalking, harassment, libel, and slander.
> 
>> If you disagree, you're welcome to present a reasoned counterpoint. But
>> resorting to personal abuse and name-calling says far more about your
>> approach than it does about mine.
> 
> Nice try. But there is no such thing as "reasoning" with you. WHICH IS WHY YOU
> ARE BANNED FROM EVERY MODERATED APPLE SUPPORT FORUM ON THE PLANET.
> 
> Not to mention that you have been banned multiple times.  You keep on coming
> back with a new name, making the same old allegations and continue to
> stalk/harrass/libel/slander innocent people.
> 
> And YOU are doing your stalking, harassment, libel, and slander publicly.
> You come in here and post links to 3/5/8 year old forum messages where you
> "raised legitmate concerns" for the 100th time about EtreCheck and ask for
> comments here. You BEG strangers to sign up to the forum in question and ask
> questions on your behalf.
> 
> Does it EVER occur to you that MAYBE you are wrong? Does it EVER occur to you
> that if you stopped stalking/harrassing/libeling/slandering innocent people
> that you MIGHT be allowed back onto moderated Apple support forums? Because
> they have no choice but to ban you. Otherwise they could be accused of the
> stalking/harrassing/libeling/slandering of innocent people just by leaving
> your posts visible and allowing you to CONTINUE to stalk/harrass/libel/slander
> innocent people.

Tyrone,

Your post is a torrent of personal abuse, wild accusations, and 
unsubstantiated claims. If you believe this sort of behaviour 
constitutes "helping people," then I fear for the tone of discourse in 
this group.

Let me clarify a few points:

     Asking security-related questions is not stalking.
     Raising concerns about a non-App-Store macOS app with no visible 
developer ID and no reliable support mechanism is entirely legitimate. 
Especially in an age where trust in software must be earned, not demanded.

     Repetition does not equate to harassment.
     If an app's developer continually avoids accountability, or 
disappears without answering user concerns—especially after taking 
payment—users will ask questions. Ten years of avoidance doesn't negate 
the validity of those questions; it strengthens them.

     Personal attacks are not a substitute for arguments.
     Resorting to name-calling ("flaming turd," really?) and shouting 
about supposed bans does not prove anything. In fact, it suggests you 
have no substantive counterargument and are instead relying on invective 
to silence dissent.

If you genuinely cared about "helping people," you'd engage 
respectfully, share knowledge, and foster discussion—not shout down 
those who dare to question. Ironically, your unhinged response does far 
more to raise red flags about the app in question than anything I might 
post.

Your abuse is noted.

—-
David B.

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#181521

On 31 Jul 2025 at 17:55:34 BST, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
>>> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through
>>>> the list
>>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the
>>>> screen.
>>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you, petefj.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
>>> 
>>> No?
>>> 
>>> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
>>> 
>>> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435
>> 
>> Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)
>> 
>> https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/
> 
> Take your paranoia elsewhere.

+1

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#181523

On 31/07/2025 19:41, Alan B wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2025 at 17:55:34 BST, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
>>>> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through
>>>>> the list
>>>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the
>>>>> screen.
>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, petefj.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
>>>>
>>>> No?
>>>>
>>>> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
>>>>
>>>> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435
>>>
>>> Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)
>>>
>>> https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/
>>
>> Take your paranoia elsewhere.
> 
> +1
> 
Just an idle thought, I was wondering, if everyone stopped feeding it, would 
it perhaps starve and wither away?

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#181525

On Jul 31, 2025 at 3:53:38 PM EDT, "David Kennedy" <davidkennedygm@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 31/07/2025 19:41, Alan B wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2025 at 17:55:34 BST, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM EDT, ""David B."" <BD@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 31/07/2025 13:51, David B. wrote:
>>>>> On 31/07/2025 10:41, Peter James wrote:
>>>>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through
>>>>>> the list
>>>>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you, petefj.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you obtain the software from the Apple App Store?
>>>>> 
>>>>> No?
>>>>> 
>>>>> So is the developer Certified by Apple?
>>>>> 
>>>>> See:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102435
>>>> 
>>>> Do you believe THIS?  (Not updated since 2020 - I wonder why.)
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.xoroxsoft.com/privacy/
>>> 
>>> Take your paranoia elsewhere.
>> 
>> +1
>> 
> Just an idle thought, I was wondering, if everyone stopped feeding it, would
> it perhaps starve and wither away?

Well, his brain has certainly withered away...

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#181555

On 31. Jul 2025 at 21:53:38 CEST, "David Kennedy"
<davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just an idle thought, I was wondering, if everyone stopped feeding it, would
> it perhaps starve and wither away?

I would hope so.

I have the idiot and all that reply to him killfiled and only see some of
his drivel when someone replies to one of the trollfeeders.

Unfortunately some people just can´t resist to feed the troll :-(

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#181517

On Jul 31, 2025 at 5:41:28 AM EDT, "Peter James" <peterf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
> 
> Thank you, petefj.

Sort by date.  Scroll right on the topics until you see the date.  Then click
on the "Date" at the top of the column. 

You can sort by any column.   Sorting by date puts the newest at the top.

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#181520

On 31 Jul 2025 at 17:52:37 BST, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2025 at 5:41:28 AM EDT, "Peter James" <peterf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>> 
>> Thank you, petefj.
> 
> Sort by date.  Scroll right on the topics until you see the date.  Then click
> on the "Date" at the top of the column.
> 
> You can sort by any column.   Sorting by date puts the newest at the top.

Also it seems you need to ensure that View -> Threads -> Ungrouped is selected
before that works. Having done that it certainly works for me. Thanks :)

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#181522

On 31 Jul 2025 at 7:41:38 PM GMT+1, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 31 Jul 2025 at 17:52:37 BST, "Tyrone" <none@none.none> wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2025 at 5:41:28 AM EDT, "Peter James" <peterf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a problem with Usenapp. All new postings are scattered through the list
>>> of other postings and I would like them displayed at the top of the screen.
>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>> 
>>> Thank you, petefj.
>> 
>> Sort by date.  Scroll right on the topics until you see the date.  Then click
>> on the "Date" at the top of the column.
>> 
>> You can sort by any column.   Sorting by date puts the newest at the top.
> 
> Also it seems you need to ensure that View -> Threads -> Ungrouped is selected
> before that works. Having done that it certainly works for me. Thanks :)

Sounds like that's the answer - by date + ungrouped (that's confudled me in
the past with Usenapp and other newsreaders).

Clicking the left square bracket + right pointing arrow on the left of the
lower menu bar will also colapse that lower left hand window if you want a
slightly cleaner look.

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